We need Aid !!!!!

[furrowtickler]

Your last comment speaks volume there Cuban - RIP ..
This is about debt load in you mind and the wreck comin - I agree - but who racked up the debt and why should tax payers divy up for the over extending of some ??
Your reasons are laughable - and beyond agrogant

RD414 - a shot of reality sucks sometimes
Our crop is a very long ways from the bin and we may end up getting sfa as well, but I would not be crying for aid . A few rains or not would not change my opinion at all . There are insurance programs in place for short term droughts .

[cuban_assassin]

I am not trolling!!!!
I am simply pointing out that the large farms that spend the most on equipment,labor and inputs will impact the economy much more than the small farmer. Is the farmer who buys one new piece of equipment every five years from a dealer and does his own repairing enough to keep those guys in business.... No!!!
It's the bto's that roll equipment regularly that keep the doors open. If these boys suffer the dealers suffer and so on!!
We need to realize that the average size farm is growing and the industry is gearing up to meet the needs of the big boys. The little man who doesn't expand or adopt some form of change is quite irrelevant to the industry!!
The government will respond when the guys managing multi million dollar farms start raising hell! Unfortunately they do not listen to the little man who is for the most part replaceable.
2000 acre farms are not sustainable in the eyes of government.

[cuban_assassin]

Unfortunately the large farms spend the most and stimulate the most economic growth and therefore will be propped up by government. The guy who is rolling the most money through his hands gets the most attention. That isn't a opinion it's a fact!
Don't shoot the messenger boys I don't like what's happening either but if government doesn't consider action I would bet things will get really bad really fast. And for those of you who see this as a good reset and that you will not suffer as well...... Careful what u wish for! Remember shit runs down hill!!

[furrowtickler]

Lol - nice fantasy world there Cuban - wow..

[farmaholic]

Holy ****, my assessment of my farm is true. ...inconsequential. If its only the machinery dealers we're concerned about you're right. The Machinery Flippers probably do the most to keep their doors open. But in most other cases it doesn't matter if your 2000 acres or 20000 acres inputs to farm those acres are bought whether by the "hobbyFarmer" or the "Big Time Operator".

NO ONE WANTS TO GO BACKWARDS, REGARDLESS OF FARM SIZE.

[furrowtickler]

90% of what you just said is pure b/s.
10% is very true...
If your operating expenses per ac are way over your insurance levels that's your problem not the rest of us or tax payers. Not all BTO's are going to crash just because of a one year drought after 8 good years - but some will.
If your in a multi year yield loss situation that's a 100% different story.
But if your crying for aid after just this years drought conditions up to date - Sorry I still disagree totally.

[Cattleman]

Cuban - who said the smaller guys aren't looking to expand, lots of 2 and 3 thousand acre guys could all pick up 2 or 3 quarters or more IF IT MAKES SENSE! That's a 10 or 20% increase....not sure what your growth plans are Cuban?

Maybe everyone needs an adjustment, including the input suppliers!!

Regarding the government not seeing 2000 acres as sustainable, they may lean that way in some instances, but then they come out with all these programs to support small niche local producers, to do value added and be sustainable etc. Not putting to much concern into what the government thinks is sustainable. Its all about what looks best politically.

[agstar77]

Days of flipping machinery every two tears coming to an end. That is what drove consolidation in the machinery business. The end is near , you cannot use these big machines for two years and throw them away, it is just too wasteful, it is what is wrong with our disposable society. So if a few of the bigtime go broke who cares. It is people that matter not the size of their toys. People spend money and create an economy not land and toys.

[blackpowder]

When cub gets old enough he will understand.

[agchat]

Just to throw a dig in on your one comment farmaholic, I am a hobby farmer in todays ag world, and it costs me way more than the big farmer. Little to virtually no rebates from chemical companies, pay more for fuel, fertilizer, and alot of times my grain grading is no bargaining. End of rant.