Drought crappy insurance gutted agri instability = NDP governments federal and provincial

[hobbyfrmr]

Whoa cuban, hit the brakes. Layoffs in the Ag service industry do not happen that severely. They will do what they can to maintain profits, which may mean less profit for sure, BUT marginally paying less for grain (mystery basis) and charging a little more for the high volume inputs keeps everything going forward.
Simmer down! Its just farming, we are not drilling for oil, selling new 90 inch TVs or new cars. Once you realize you are just another primary producer of a high volume commodity sold on A commodity exchange you will find that you should pay for as much (weather) risk management that you possibly can afford. If you qualify for a payment say thank you. If you dont qualify, be thankful.
You can now complicate this with as many acres, animals, employees, machines, semis, input suppliers, grain buyers as you see fit to manage.

I agree that farmers definitely spend and revolve money. If/when there would be a government aid payout, most often it gets recapitalized into higher land prices, higher rents, higher machinery prices and higher new diesel supermaxhorn trucks.
This, in turn, creates a contempt for farmers by "real people"' who work and pay taxes and buy food, gas and TVs. So, your genuine living breathing customer doesnt like you because of a government cash injection pulled right from the taxes they are forced to pay.
I buy the risk management I can, if it gets real bad, l will have to make an attempt to make a living doing something else or live in a dumpster in Vancouver. Some days the dumpster is appealing. Most days...not so appealing.

[bucket]

Hobby

So by extension why were the auto companies not just left alone in 2008?.

Or better yet why did evraz need a tax break to build in regina. Well because if the saskatchewan government didn't someone else would have. And they would have lost that economic driver.

Same logic in agriculture.

[Hopperbin]

Hobby has a very good point. No one has less than a million in assets anymore in farming. We have crop insurance agristability etc all highly funded by govt. I for one don't do crop insurance probably should. Sask3 bitched about the free money he got probably 50 grand plus that I did not. I don't think that money should be paid out either. His land went from 40,000 a quarter to 300,000. Now let's look at the auto industry etc that paid all bail outs back or risked govt take over. I think we should face paying back. Maybe Sask3 land would only be worth 200,000 today per quarter. Only using Sask3 as an example but sorta works the same for everyone. If we had less money n would be cheaper. A lot of services would be cheaper. Maybe the electrical shop in Humboldt would not be charging 120 per hour. My auto insurance costs me 8,000 per year. Should not.

[blackpowder]

Can honestly say I'm jealous (and nolstagic)of Freewheat. At least the spraying mystery was solved. Was calling bs on that one.
I sounded exactly like him on the mover until I blew out a knee moving one. Make one yourself. Or stick to 6" augers.

Interesting the aid discussion got more posts in a shorter time than any _ _ _ discussion ever did. And that Cuban is decidedly alone in his opinion. A rare concensus.

[Braveheart]

I think with the discussion on MCOOL and WTO in the US right now, any ad hoc aid given to farmers would be immediately countervailed by US lawmakers.

It's no secret that when TPP goes ahead, the Americans are going to aggressively target supply management.

[Braveheart]

I'll second the auger mover. Decisions are often made on needs vs wants. Well you need an auger mover.

[freewheat]

Lol. Need to start a new thread on the auger mover I guess. It would be fairly easy to build one for a tiny fraction of what they sell for. I may have to think more seriously of it. I am just a strong, relatively young guy, and have well balanced augers which are pretty easy to move. But I can see where they would be handy, it's not that. It is more financial. I have a lot of needs around here. An auger mover has not even been remotely on my radar, you know?

[bucket]

Freewheat

The rest won't matter if you have a sore back.

Move that up your priority list.

Don't let anyone here say they told you so on that issue. You will live to regret it.

[blackpowder]

You sound so much like me 25 years ago it's scary. If you want I can tell you what shape your body will be in at my age. Be careful you must, young padowan.

[cottonpicken]

Lol i use to think I was strong could put a 450 pound snowmobile into the back of truck by myself but one year pulling a big auger up an incline i hurt the back processed to shovel out the square bin of chickpeas to the custom trucker and went into harvest with a witha pain out of Dante's inferno.

1000 acres of lentil swathing in a case ih four thousand with no ac,countless muscle relaxers,no real sleep well no such thing as tough when it comes to the back.

Talk the hawes guy bob i think? Great guy good mover pretty sure he would sell you the major components. Make sure you get the clutch that keeps the motor going but the auger on or off.

[farmaholic]

Freewheat, You are provided with one body in a lifetime, do what you can to preserve its integrity. Don't wear it out prematurely. Treat it like the temple it is. Heed the advice of those who went before you or...

[furrowtickler]

I agree on the mover - there is a limit to bring frugal .. In a lot of things