When is roundup ready canola off patent

[fjlip]

It is assumed two year, even in Seedmaster mail out, what if a 5000 acre farmer seeds 2500 cereals and 2500 canola, he saves....Neighbors ONLY seed canola on canola every year.

[Rareearth]

Tweety, I subscribe the the theory that it takes all kinds.
For the soil, it varies as widely as our plant, insect and disease spectrums, they continue to evolve and adapt as need be, or the inevitable occurs quicker than anticipated.

Now my point, disease is not from the soil alone, it's more than ions, cations, minerals and nutrient. Status quo everything eventually fails. Plants evolve and adapt to the environment not through breeding alone, some are quicker and better than others.

[tstep]

Tweety is right. What would happen IF we farmers said no to canola. The crushers need us to grow it. We need the seed companies to supply seed. What would happen if we said NO to growing it?? Seed companies could give a shit other than they losing a lot of money and the crushers would be ****ed as they NEED us to grow it. Think about it!!

[farmaholic]

So then, why don't the crushers vertically integrate "down" the value chain and rent/buy some land and grow it themselves? We're told to vertically integrate when we're not satisfied with our plight.

[farmaholic]

Just think of all the acres they'd need.

[tweety]

I think they would shut down and walk away and we would be screwed.

But in terms of seed, either there is value in buying expensive seed ( like ht canola today )and we will buy it making the company viable, or if it isn't (off patent RR1 soybeans instead of expensive RR2 with negligible gains) another opportunity comes up and gives companies a reality check.

Ultimately we decide our future by purchases.

[oneoff]

No need to say no to anybody


When you do get the chance; and that time is just slightly past due or coming shortly)....just make a statement by showing that you know other ways to skin the cat. Patent periods do expire and you show me one product,invention or improvement to an embodiment that enjoys patent protection for even 20 years.

And since there are some legal ways that are or will be available t o unrestricted use by any farmersshortly; I challenge anyone why they wouldn't exercise those options.....

particularly when its probably going to make you as much in net income...and when the additional benefits of potentially reducing production supplies a few percent; it is indeed possible every one will be substantially better off.

And for those supposed neighbors who can't see any logic; it might be an opportune time to challenge their motives and see if they have anything meaningful to add to the problems that confront agricultural producers.

Every other part of agribusiness has a plan for profitability....why not the bottom rung of the production ladder.

[tweety]

I'm very curious as to what you are actually talking about.

[farmaholic]

I think its a reference to the availabilty of cheaper off patent RR1 seed versus RR2 at extra cost and a marginal increase in yield for that extra cost. Telling us to exercise our options.

Even if there is a yield reduction, growing less bushels for more money at a cheaper cost would be better than growing more bushels for less money at a greater cost.

Maybe I should let him explain it himself, I might have it wrong.

[Rareearth]

Who is the bigger risk for for farmers, seed companies or government? Seed companies are predictable, government ??