smoke

[bucket]

After the last few days of smoke in the air and remembering only a few tractors that ever smoked bad in this part of the world.

Can someone please enlighten me as to the purpose of tier 4 engines. Their cost and why environmentalists and regulators think it made a difference?

I don't think all the tractors in canada would pollute as much as much in ten years as the forest fires in the last 3 days.

Maybe it would be wiser to put the billions spent on engines to better and faster forest fire fighting equipment.

Now factor in the reduction in hours spent on a tractor - I don't get it.

Can someone explain this shit to me.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

They Could... so they did.

Canada has clean air agreements with the US.

Forest fires are not a part.

[bucket]

Tom

Who is they?

And why didn't they think a bit?

[ColevilleH2S]

It doesn't stop here folks. This winter I attended a conference in Phoenix and was lucky enough to sit across the table from an executive of CaseIH. He was going to Washington the day after to talk about the upcomming Tier 5 specs with the EPA.

Apparently Tier 4 Final, was not final.

[furrowtickler]

All a bunch of horse shit IMO - the cost to manufacture and distribute DEF alone is way more than any benifit. This is just anouther way to add to the bottom line of many others with a net zero benifit to the environment .

[fjlip]

I always said, a make work/economy/profit idea for billionaires. This smoke just like ONE volcano has more CO2/ carbon in days than all of worlds engines ever will for decades.

[bucket]

No one has done the math in the reduction in hours on farm tractors and farming practices that have been more environmentally helpful than any tier 4 engine. Less hours or not running is better for the environment.

Larger equipment etc.

Now if they would have figure that out prior to ripping out rail lines and creating a trucking industry.

Combines use to arive in town on rail.

If the manufacturers can't schedule next year's combine delivery by rail we really have gone backwards. But that's too late to change.

Super Bs running full of grain across the prairie highways seems idiotic to me from both an environmental and infrastructure point of view. But that's me.

[TOM4CWB]

bucket,

If you lived in LA... you too would think this is a great advancements. One overall standard is best for all manufacturers.

I am not one who like diesel particulates... that are very carcinogenic and glad we are cleaning up our air.... including less forest fires. I won't burn flax straw.

[bucket]

Tom

In order to burn fuel cleaner you have to burn more. FFS the refineries are the real polluters that are exempt because they have to continue to make more fuels because of the environmentalists and the governments that allows the cleanest and most efficient service to be discontinued.

Well until buffet and gates owns them and gets a handout to build infrastructure. Again.

[dmlfarmer]

fjlip: can you provide any data to support your statement about volcanos and CO2 emissions?

The United States Geological Service states:
"Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value."

[samhill]

Bucket, the trucking industry is simple economics. There are millions of people in N. America employed by the trucking industry, including hiway construction, tire service, truck stops, truck sales and repairs likely more in shipping and receiving, plus accounting.
Replace it with good rail service and cost of goods drops considerably, but a lot of jobs disappear.
Bringing a load of fruit from the Okanagan one time I stopped in Speedy Creek and a guy says "with diesel at $1.25, how long can you keep running that truck".
I said another $500 in fuel on a $50K load doesn't make much difference, besides, the consumer pays for it all with non tax deductible money.
Truck freight is a big part of the N. American economy.

[ColevilleH2S]

A bit of perspective from the 30,000 foot level:
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[TOM4CWB]

So our drought is reducing global warming in western Canada!!! Wow... how does that work! Less cloud, more sunlight absorbed warming the land, temps go up, making more water vapour, in the US midwest just not here!

I think this may be better called 'Smoke and Mirrors!"

[farmaholic]

WTF....water vapour? I did take chemistry is school and water has three states but I didnt think its composition changed. Where is the carbon in H2O? So carbon isn't the demon they thought it was?

[bucket]

Samhill

That doesn't make it right or productive does it?

By that logic we should start trucking grain to the west coast thinking the consumer will pay for it?