How bout some aid now boys

[freewheat]

Or you could farm smarter and save some money, have a nice lifestyle and relax a bit about life, rather than stress about a handout. I don't ever call people with livestock lazy. I call the straight grain guys lazy. Stock men work. Year round.

Did your dad die when you were thirteen too, or what is your problem and anger towards me, man?

The whiners are for the most part from areas which actually had some good fortune the last little bit. If you went from wet too dry, I feel for you.

Do not mistake my feelings of disdain towards "aid" of 100 an acre, with true compassion for those who struggle. I struggle, but I don't really care, I always have, no biggy to me to have a rough patch. I adapt to those rough patches.

Seeded 40 acres of hay last night, part of my adaptation strategy. Rather than whine that it ain't working, I am doing what I can to make it work. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, who cares? But at least I am trying to put forth some effort ON MY OWN, rather than make up some random 100 dollar an acre number as an aid package needed.

Chill, riders. You seem to have a personal vendetta, a personal hate towards some of us who detest silly bailouts.

Anyway, I need to go out and feed animals, cuz I am lazy. After that I am building fences cuz I am lazy. Then when I finish emptying my canola bin, I am planning to cut some hay, being that I am lazy and all. After that the animals will need supper, cuz I am lazy. Then I will go to bed, and rest well, knowing my future is in MY hands, and I did my best today, cuz I am lazy...

[parsley]

If both have to work outside the farm to support the farm; if farmers cannot enjoy the lifestyle that farming offers; if inputs decimate profits.... Well folks, it's time to take a long hard look at agronomics practices that make you both squeezed-poor and mentally-miserable. #awakening
Pars

[riders2010]

Big hypochrate freewheat had all the good crops but still taking fuel rebate agri invest etc. Yet like a preacher praising how against handouts you are. Maybe in the conservative pay roll also to post how good it is.

What were saying is the programs are broken
Klause hit the nail on the head in another thread
He can see it and you don't have to be a genious figure that out.

I don't want a handout but since the programs are so fkd up something has to happen to provide some more fair for everyone.

Do you think it's right the lentil areas can have margins based on 500 to what ever high and then one year they decide to switch to wheat and rhat in itself triggers a payout even if it's a bumper wheat crop? Do you understand that?

[cuban_assassin]

Hey free wheat I farm farther north and east of you! Which means I have had no crop for the last ten years of excess moisture. It has went from too wet to grow a crop to too dry.
I guess i must be a better manager than I thought to have made it through a decade of flooded out crops and now a drought.
A $75 - 100 per acre aid payout to those who can prove a reduction in production below area averages due to drought would do wonders to maintain economic stability in the ag sector.
Do nothing and look out cause the shits gonna hit the fan and everyones gonna get sprayed with it.
If we as a society were more proactive about dealing with our problems we would often lessen the overall impact in the long run.

[TOM4CWB]

Cuban,

Over the long term... "A $75 - 100 per acre aid payout to those who can prove a reduction in production below area averages due to drought would do wonders to maintain economic stability in the ag sector"... is very close to what Agrinvest and Crop Ins do together. Both Gov funded programs... both far beyond any other benefit small business in Canada gets. We are very blessed to have some crop... it is hard to imagine if you have been way too wet for 10 years... how your subsoil can dry out this spring?!!! Recreational tillage? Burned? HOW???

[riders2010]

It's tough for some to imagine but it happens depending on runoff and frost also. Top inches were dry and small rains then minus 8 all night then reseed and dry out further.

It's tough for guys that don't have extremes of both to understand. Or I should say those that are maybe looking for excuses not to understand.

[freewheat]

Big crops??? lol Haven't had a big crop in a long time. Many years were no crops.

Cuban, If you are north and east of me, unless you are at Hudson bay, I have no sympathy. Assuming you were worse off, without seeing my farm in those years, is rich. Crops north and east of me are awesome. And that is pretty much all that is north and east of me. Like I say though, I hear Hudson Bay is dry.

I see how the programs suck, yes. I would prefer there was only a more decent crop insurance, forget the others.

Fuel rebates etc.? Well they are such a nickel and dime program, fuel is one of my smallest costs, so it doesn't make much difference if it went finally.

I say bring back spot loss hail, dropping the lowest yields in a 7 year period for crop insurance.

Get rid of agristability and the false hope it gives.

Re-enhance agri-invest to the three % level, but every 5 years you have to cash in. What you do with that money is up to you. If you want to squander it on iron, so be it.

Finally, bring in a program to train farmers to think outside the box. A live within your means training course, if you will. How to use little corners of land more efficiently 101.

[freewheat]

Tom, a lot of guys DID do recreational tillage, to "dry out and warm the soil". But with a more typical weather pattern where it is not raining every day for 43 days straight, it may well be hurting some.

[bluefargo]

My point is that if farmers avail themselves of the programs the taxpayer has generously put in place that should get them through most tough situations.
For farmers who don't use these programs I have nothing but admiration and respect. But I don't know how you sleep at night.
There is no program that can protect against 10 years of crop failure. There is no farmer that I know that can survive that. I certainly couldn't.
I would be looking for a new occupation.

[freewheat]

Blue fargo. Or farming differently? Diversifying looks dumb when times are good. Pushing trees and draining looks smart when times are good, selling the cows, ripping out fences is easy when times are good. But when times are bad?

[cuban_assassin]

Bottom line boys is that if government does not throw some cash at this problem they are gonna have a much larger economic problem to deal with.
This drought spans across two provinces. Sure there are pockets that have had rain to produce a good crop thus far but the vast majority are below average to completely f***ed!!
Not to mention all the late reseeded crops due to spring frost that will need till mid September without frost to make it.

[freewheat]

I agree completely there is a big issue, and it is a bog deal. THAT is not the issue. The issue is that self reflection and tightening the belt can and should be used all the time by we farmers.