Ottawa plans compensation for farmers

[sumdumguy]

No-no not prairie farmers, the richest most protected dairy and poultry producers. The Globe and Mail says that this package will compensate for Feds trading some of their rights as in allowing imports. Seems these farms are targeted in Transit Pacific Partnership Agreement.

[agstar77]

But screw you for getting rid of the CWB no compensation , ffffn cons!

[Tucker]

No, I think that getting rid of the CWB was a great thing. It needs to settle down now to something sustainable. The Aussies seem to have made the transition really work well for producers. We should study what they did right and what we did wrong. Someone else posted some truth, the CWB was great in principle. It should have been a world force to be reckoned with but it turned into a Liberal patronage debacle. It was stifling at best and tyrannical at worst. It really needed purging. Thank you Conservatives for that freedom.

As for the poultry and dairy guys I'm not going to try to drag them down to our level of servitude, that's too easy. Good for them, they work hard too. I want to find a way to elevate ourselves to their place in lobby paradise.

[sawfly]

surprise , surprise

farmer marketing boards and supply management are on the way out.

the same year that this same govt. brings in total supply management for the seed industry .

we know that the ag chem industry has had supply management for years. keeping generic product out.
costing producers billions.

you say UPOV91 is not supply management read on

now with public seed breeding being ran out of business and the fact that farmers will never actually again own seed .
( you will sign that right away in the use agreement) just like we do with canola now.

you will just rent or lease it.

since no co. will ever let you own the seed . so even when a patent runs out ,
the farmer does not own it.
the farmer has no right to plant it.

and the 3 or 4 company's that own them will of course price compete ( choke)
like the do in canola now.

i would call that supply management.


see it is ok for them , not for you. dumb farmer


now i am no expert , on the dairy
thing ,

but i really do not think it is about the EEC farmers wanting to dump cheese and milk products.

with the subsidies they have , they really would not have a leg to stand on.

and it is not about getting access for our beef, we were not filling the quota we had.

and it is not about Canadians having less access to generic drugs by signing the deal.

because that would be just plain stupid. unless you working for a drug co.

( well on second thought, maybe it is, if Bayer can get Harper to write seed and chem legislation. he will probably
sign a trade deal barring generics)

(costing the health care system billions) may as well wreck that too before you go.

Maybe it's more about a corporate takeover of the entire dairy sector.

it is just not right that farmers have any say in the price of their product,

that is the job of the corporation (that with the help of this govt).
this too will be corrected

[tweety]

Sawfly, if you come up with a variety of canola that costs 5$ a pound, is glyphosate tolerant, a hybrid, has multigenic blackleg tolerance, clubroot resistant and yields very well, with no reseed restriction, i will buy it from you instead.

[sumdumguy]

Tweety, that's not a bad idea. Why can't You or I become a crop breeder? Then we can "try" to collect royalties.

[Guest]

don't know for sure sumdum , but I bet you or I couldn't pull it off ? and if we did they'd soon run us outta town . anyways there is only a handful of people on here that think upov is any good for any farmers. the rest of us know only to well what's coming ? I am definetely going to remind these people when the shit hits the fan . the only thing that the greedy co's are forgetting is that there is a saturation point where farmers can't pay it . we are there now

[sumdumguy]

Let's challenge them Case. No mountain too high!

[tweety]

Not sure how I would be able to pay back the 150 million $ loan to develop the variety.

Maybe I'll just buy it from those who do

[bucket]

As much as I dislike the supply managed farms I have a bigger dislike for this government's efforts at making things better.

So I would rather the supply managed industries stay as is until the right policy is developed and all the small details are well defined.

The conservatives missed the mark on the open market.

I don't want to see the same thing happen again.

[sumdumguy]

Bucket, I hear you -no doubt at all.

[sawfly]

i know innovation needs protection.
but they had 20 years at 15$ an acre to recoup.

it was supposed to be 15 years , now some how it is 25.

patents are supposed to run out eventually.
to encourage innovation .

even john deere got the rotary combine eventually .
and you aren't still paying a royalty on the light bulb.

all the govt. granted protection and the use contracts used to bypass patent law.
pretty well makes a price fixing seed cartel .

if they needed a different type of
protection for OP crops , that is perfectly fine.

but how about some assurances that
old off patent varieties would be accessible.
did not happen.

laws written by and for the seed co.s alone.

the conservatives pretend to be a
farmer friendly party, but in reality they have cost us a fortune . and it is only beginning.

ag invest a liberal program ?
(i think ) i saved up years and years for when things go to hell.
thought i had something.

only to see twice it's value
lost in 2 years in the rail mess.
which was totally ignored by the govt.

was it really the hundreds of thousands we each have lost and will lose
thanks to these guys
, just to get rid of the gun registry.

enough already , make it stop

[sumdumguy]

Sure opened the eyes of some "loyal" supporters.

[FarmRanger]

While I am not in favour of the massive consumer subsidies that supply management enjoys, I don’t think it’s fair to just drop the whole system without some kind of compensation either. Now, before people start yelling at me for thinking compensating wealthy supply management guys is a good idea, please hear me out.

I don’t agree that it ever made sense to subsidize an industry to the point where the licence to milk a cow is worth more than the cow itself. Those consumer subsidies (which keep out imports with tariffs and increases prices domestically) have become “capitalized”, which means that future subsidies (overpriced dairy, chicken and eggs) have been built into the price paid for the quota by new entrants. If that quota had never changed ownership, then the cost of removing those subsidies would fall on the same people who benefitted from them in the first place, and I would be OK with just dropping the whole system with no compensation.

The big problem arises when you have the original owners who sell quota which has many years of future subsidy built into the price, to another farmer. While government has the ability to make that quota worthless overnight, and there are a lot of really good reasons to do so, the poor schmuck who paid for them without reaping the benefit of the future subsidies may be left holding worthless quota with a huge debt against it. The fact is that the purchasing farmer now needs the subsidies to pay for his investment on the license to produce. Therefore, without “compensation” as sumdum calls it, these farmers could be bankrupted overnight through no fault of their own. They purchased quota in good faith and while I disagree vehemently with the whole system, I disagree more with the unfairness placing a disproportionate amount of the costs of ending it on the newest entrants.

I really don’t want to get into the CWB debate again, but the removal of the single desk buyer is not an apples to apples comparison, as there was never any subsidy - consumer or otherwise, built into the price of wheat from having only one buyer, and certainly no tangible value asset like dairy quota that was ever traded amongst farmers for the “privilege” of having only one wheat buyer in western Canada.

[mustardman]

Guarantee you one thing Farmranger, if durum was selling at Port for $15 under the CWB you would be getting a HELL of a lot more ( at least 85 percent) whereas this past year you were lucky to get half of the $15
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