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    What can you get for 30 Loonies...?

    I was watching BNN and this came up...

    To Blame this situation on PM Harper and his crew... is absurd... as is blaming the price of gasoline on the federal gov.

    It is akin to consumers expecting the federal gov. to step in and lower the price of Canola... after a drought... our market economy would be in a shambles and economy in ruins if politicians were responsible for rolling back or increasing prices of certain important commodities.

    DTN has a good explanation of what cause and effect these oil prices have in a historical context:

    In Part, DTN Cliff Jamieson article:

    "Thursday 8/13/15
    Canadian Heavy Oil Trades Under $30/barrel
    The September West Texas Intermediate contract reached levels below its March low of $42.03/barrel on its continuous chart this session by dipping as low as $41.91/barrel. Canadian producers of Western Canadian Select heavy crude are facing a double whammy, with the discount from WTI reaching its largest level in over a year. ....

    The double whammy faced by Canadian producers is the growing discount for heavy Western Canada Select (WCS) oil, which is trading at its highest discount in over a year. As indicated on the attached chart, the WCS spread or discount is trading at $19.90/barrel USD. This spread has narrowed from $39.90/barrel the week of Nov. 4, 2013 to a low of $7.50/barrel for the week of June 8 2015, while has since weakened 165% to $19.90/barrel, retracing 38.2% of the mentioned uptrend to the largest discount faced in a year. This is noted by the blue line in the middle study.

    The lower study indicates the Canadian dollar value of the Western Canada Select oil at $29.18/barrel when valued in Canadian dollars. To put this into perspective, today's Financial Post Energy column is titled In Alberta, 30 loonies will get you a case of beer, a bottle of whiskey -- and now a barrel of oil. This price has not been seen since 2008/2009.

    There is a long list of reasons for this growing spread between Canada's heavy crude and the already weak WTI prices, which includes increased production after shut-downs related to Alberta's fires, new production coming on-line, pipelines shut down due to spills and a sharply reduced production at a key Indiana refinery.

    Watch for oil to continue to test the $42.03 March low, while a breach of the WCS spread at $19.88 could result in a further move to the 50% retracement of $23.70/barrel. Further weakness in WTI or the WCS spread could have negative implications for the Canadian dollar which will help mitigate the damage, but will present further challenges for the industry and overall economy."

    Cliff Jamieson can be reached at cliff.jamieson@dtn.com

    Follow Cliff Jamieson on Twitter @CliffJamieson

    #2
    Like supply managment?or heavy tax rates on the sins of man or taxes at the pump?

    You got one thing right our economy would be in shambles if the government messed with it to much. Which they do and it is.

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      #3
      No politician is going to look into gas prices.

      Everyone will continue to make excuses that the refinery is down in Indiana.

      Maybe someone should ensure adequate stocks for an outage?

      Inventories were building for crude oil but there is only one group that controls gasoline output.

      They can force oil inventories to build reducing their input cost while also creating a shortage of gas creating a price increase on their output and in the end getting better margins.

      It use to be against the law to control industries like that. One of the reasons the cattle industries wasn't owned by one group in the states. Or why john deere couldn't buy versatile etc.

      Federated ,we all own the coop remember, is making a killing on cheap heavy oil and high gas prices.

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        #4
        Tom, you are blind.

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          #5
          If this gov't was concerned about gas prices and jobs then, promote another Refinery being Built IN Canada.

          Instead of ONLY Wanting to Export Raw product.

          More refining capacity means Lower gas prices
          Lots of LONG term jobs running a refinery.

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            #6
            Tom, why would govt have to lower price of canola after a drought ? had a drought , never hardly went up sfa ?.? but I guess they should regulate railroads , right ?

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              #7
              right on mustard , why don't they ? if some hiccup in Indiana can do this ? there is a big hole in the system ?

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                #8
                Mulcair is talking of processing oil here instead of exporting oil and jobs.

                Harper thinks oil companies will do it on their own. That's laughable. No refinery will be built without taxpayer involvement.

                At least with mulcair you know the government will fund it. Harper will say he won't but will have to. And then say it's a job creator and good for the economy.


                There is a need for another refinery.

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                  #9
                  Totally agree with you bucket. I'm told the holdup on building more refineries is environmental regulation are changing too often. Somehow I think gas would be even higher if Mulclair stuck his fingers in it. Regulation comes at a cost and oil is very good at passing the buck, govt is even better. I'd prefer Trump he can't be bought by lobbyist or special interest group.

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                    #10
                    That was my first thought, WTF does a Indiana refinery have to do with Sk gas? Any excuse! YES more refining, and ASAP, you bet business needs to be beat up to build one. Don't have a clue how environmental laws can be fit to a refinery as priority. I'd guess building the RR's would never pass the laws today either!

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                      #11
                      Control the bottle neck,control the supply,control the price where have we seen this before

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                        #12
                        5 bushels of hard red spring wheat ?

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                          #13
                          Wtf. You mean canadian oil producers don't get world prices for their product?

                          But they get sweet royalty deals.

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                            #14
                            Landlocked oil.
                            Environmental regulations for refinery construction.
                            Lack of pipelines for selling at a higher price.
                            Most of the NDP MP's would prefer "evil" oil stay in the ground.

                            Oil sector has a lot of challenges.

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                              #15
                              Alberta taxpayers are building one of the most up to date new oil refineries in the world north of Edmonton! It will cost $35-50 per barrel to refine using this new technology. Few can afford to build new at this cost! Federated Coop Energy division earned $8B with almost $600M in profit... in 2014. This tells me the business is good... but excess profits are NOT a problem that Gov. needs to contend with. A tax rate of 25 percent is charged Federated Coop.

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