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    #31
    Grassfarmer,

    Your comment: "The "Leftwing Cowards!" comment sums up the paranoia of you cwb bashers pretty well."

    Please explain to me how clearly identifying the facts... that the Left Wing clearly states the government owes them a living, I owe them a chunk of my farm/bank account, and that this clearly places them in the position of being "cowards" including being "unmotivated" to look after their own affairs...

    Please explain how exactly these facts create in me a "a delusional state... of paranoia?"

    What exacty are you disputing in the facts I presented you?

    CWB Pooling systems lower my grain price. CWB Commissioner Ken Beswick clearly identified 100's of millions as being lost in 1996 in barley alone. Historically western Canada has been known as one of the lowest cost feed grain areas.

    Agriculture Canada helped pay for a study prepared by, Dr. Larry Martin, Dr. Zana Kruja, and John Alexiou.
    In this Study, “Prospects for Hog Production and Processing in Canada”, the Paper makes it clear that “the feedgrain market in Western Canada does not arbitrage efficiently.” The “designated area” has the lowest feedgrain prices:
    Feed Costs (CA) per Market Hog,
    1200 sow unit:
    Western Prairies (Calgary) $59.52
    Eastern Prairies (Brandon) $55.91
    U.S. Mountain States $90.60
    U.S. West Corn Belt $72.44
    U.S. East Corn Belt $75.43
    Quebec $76.92
    Ontario $71.01
    Argentina $76.60
    Chile $96.17
    Netherlands $97.43

    The Paper further states: “Western Canada shows the lowest overall cost. Its major advantage is in the cost of feedgrains. In fact the advantage conferred by feedgrain prices in the Prairies (the “designated area”) is quite substantial.”
    If the Canadian Wheat Board is always extracting a premium for grain farmers, imagine how cheap feedgrains would be without help! We are already receive the lowest prices, how could we get less than the lowest price! This does not add up Grassfarmer, and you know that it does not.
    b) The fact is that the CWB sells in a multi-seller environment.

    If Canadian Wheat quality was so superior, and worth $45.00 per tonne more than American Dark Northern Hard Wheat; American Farmers in Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota who have the same type of environment as the southern part of the “designated area” would gladly buy some of our Canadian high quality seed varieties, and grow these superior Canadian Varieties! Even Canadian “designated area” farmers didn't plant normal acres...because the prices the CWB offer, for it, are simply pathetic. If in fact the CWB does extract a premium in the “High Priced Markets” then why is the pooling account sales system almost always lower than their subquality US wheat?

    Call me names... it proves you have a very weak position that you can not back with facts!

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      #32
      Its Simple economics
      In Canada with our CWB and their unrealistic low initials.
      HRS #1 freight off $1.89.
      Now someone especially Benny explain to me how this doesn't create a cheap feed price.
      All mills see the initial know that they just have to bid somewhere a little higher to get the grain to feed them.
      Farmers need Cash since every time I check our expenses keep going up.
      And we have to sell to meet this requirement, so the ones that can wait for final those that want quick cash sell to who ever.
      Forced supply and demand.
      Back in the beginning of the CWB the grain companies would steel the grain in fall and by spring the ones that could wait received the benefit well 75 years later the CWB that was put in to stop such nonsence has created the same situation. THen throw in the Liberals on their cheap feed program getting us to all plant trees and have hogs and livestock etc. Yes livestock is great for prairie provinces and would have thrived in areas that are suited for livestock on its own.
      So enlighten me Benny on how the CWB achieves high prices for my farm. Iam so greedy for wanting to survive.

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        #33
        TOM, Who are "the Left Wing" and when did they "clearly state the government owes them a living, I owe them a chunk of my farm/bank account?" it sounds like paranoid delusion to me.
        As for being "unmotivated" to look after their own affairs - does that refer to the producers working in supply managed sectors where an orderly marketing system has been established that gives a fair return to the producer as well as the consumer without using taxpayer money to support it? Truth is the grain producers on this forum are always calling for more government help than the supply managed sector gets, the calls for better crop insurance systems a better CAIS payout etc etc - pot calling kettle black again.
        Anyway don't spend a lot of time cutting and pasting more of the tired old quotes and arguments for my benefit. They didn't convince your area producers in the CWB elections and they don't convince me.

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          #34
          So is that what you want? A supply management system for all our products and even your beef?

          So would you be ok with the gov't allocating quota based on what you currently raise?

          You would be ok with the massive old cattle ranches receiving the majority of the quota? No complaining about the advantage to them?

          Is that what the NFU is really advocating?.

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            #35
            1. Last I heard the supply management system costs consumers the average family (consumers) and extra $300.00 per year.

            2. The OECD shows that Canadian Dairy producers get 50% more for their milk than market value.

            3. Their is no other sector in Canadian Agriculture that gets even close to a 50% 'subsidy' like that. Even in the middle of the BSE crisis cattlemen couldn't break the 25% mark.

            4.The CWB is not supply management, there are few similarities between the two systems other than they are both run by government.

            5. I'd like to hear the answer to chaff's question. <b>Grassfarmer, how do you justify the CWB.</b>

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              #36
              Grassfarmer,

              Now that we have it straight where you stand, that you DO agree with taking my grain at less than market value, thanks for clearing this up for us.

              The Great Falls Montana price for DNS about says it all.

              Montana (Great Falls) Dark Northern Spring Wheat #1 (13.5%): $228.80 /tonne (Canadian)
              http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/app21/grainprices

              And the CWB claim is that our CWRS is "Special" and historically should be worth $45/t more than US DNS Wheat. On top Montana growers must pay close to $15/t extra freight to get it to Seattle.

              If the CWB did extract a premium... add it up. Take the $15/t extra freight US growers pay and that should bring us back to the farm gate in Alberta.

              Cut the CWB "Premium" in half, and add it to our NO PROFIT system the CWB claims maximises my returns... what do we end up at?

              $250/t @ the farm gate in Anyville AB

              Please tell me where I can phone and find this price!


              Just because you and many of our neighbours agree the theft of "Designated Area" wheat and barleyn is an acceptable price to pay to protect self/political interests in the farm economy... there is not much left to cover is there Grassfarmer!

              Theft is theft. Otherwise why did Goodale not put "Maximisation of Returns" into the CWB Act as an object of the CWB Act. Simple Grassfarmer. The CWB is not here to maximise the returns of grain farmers in the "Designated Area" its' objective is simply to market grain in an orderly manner... which as operated today means confiscation, Pooling sales of all wheat and barley including PPO sales... and the substandard value that is the result.

              CWB Chairman Ritter uses his "Gun" to take my wheat and barley... that statement was made with great pride by him at the 2005 Wildrose Annual Banquet... A documented "paranoid delusion" cooked up by me?

              The $25-40/t we come up short over & above the massive profits US Grain Co's can extract... US Rail Cos' take from US growers... show who exactly is in a "delusion"... if you are even being honest with us.

              Obviously you honestly don't care about resolving this problem.

              WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER. We will fight you from the mountain tops, from the oceans of wheat fields and farm kitchen tables of the "Designated Area"... from our internet terminals... WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER. You and your neighbours are wrong to steal my/&neighbours grain.



              God Bless you... and God Bless PM Harper!

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                #37
                Grassfarmer said:
                “Cherry picking high prices from around the world to justify bashing the CWB is nonsense.”

                <b>So how do you justify the CWB? </b>


                Grassfarmer said:
                “…don't spend a lot of time cutting and pasting more of the tired old quotes and arguments for my benefit. They didn't convince your area producers in the CWB elections and they don't convince me.”

                <b>So what would convince you?</b>


                >b>What is so bloody sacred about your CWB that you won’t even consider its shortcomings?</b>

                Let’s make a deal. Answer these questions and <b>CONVINCE ME</b> that the CWB is valuable and worthy of defense, and I will argue on behalf of the CWB.

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