Please tell me - what is so bloody sacred about the CWB?

[TOM4CWB]

Adam,

I guess you consider me a CWB supporter... so I qualified to answer?

I have posted many times WHAT is needed to fix the CWB problem [Get rid of the pool/cash prices into a pool for those who must; true market signals determine price of each class and type of grain the CWB sells; with transparent disclosure of sales]...

No doubt Adam... your solution is different than mine!

[TOM4CWB]

Benny,

Your concept of marketing speaks volumes.

Ever hear of Farm Husbandry?

Part of this is being able to
make personal decisions:

a) when to plant,
b) what to plant,
c) when to harvest what,
d) and personal responsibility in making profitable sales;

That last one is ever bit as important to many of us as any one other step in Farm Husbandry.... for some even more important.

The CWB is like a mandatory government insitution telling me: when, if, and how our family can have children...; how to raise them...; and what they must do when they are grown up!

[AdamSmith]

Tom, you and I are really not that far apart in our thinking.

The only difference between our positions is, you consider the current cwb structure and cwb act as an acceptable foundation on which we can build upon.

I on the other hand believe the current structure and current act is so delapidated and full of rot that in order to move forward we need to start fresh with a new foundation.

It's called "creative destruction" And in my opinion it is exactly what needs to happen in order for this industry to move forward in fact I'm convinced it is the only thing that will work and allow us to glean meaningful results. Keeping the old structure of distrust, disharmony, and it's combative nature in place will only mean that our grain industry will forever remain dysfunctional.

Do you really believe keeping all that rot in place will lead to anything positive Tom?

Repeal the Act, close 423 Main down, get the politicos out of the grain business, establish a free market in wheat and barley, create new legislation that allows for a voluntary co-operative grain marketing entity to exist and operate and be clear to everyone that it will only survive and thrive if it can offer a meaninful and attractive service to farmers.





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Creative destruction, introduced in 1942 by the economist Joseph Schumpeter, describes the process of transformation that accompanies radical innovation. In Schumpeter's vision of capitalism, innovative entry by entrepreneurs was the force that sustained long-term economic growth, even as it destroyed the value of established companies that enjoyed some degree of monopoly power.


Theory and examples
Companies that once revolutionized and dominated new industries – for example, Xerox in copiers or Polaroid in instant photography have seen their profits fall and their dominance vanish as rivals launched improved designs or cut manufacturing costs (lowering their own costs allows them to charge lower prices to customers, thereby drawing customers away from less efficient competitors who eventually close their doors or move into other products where they are able to find a cost advantage). Wal-Mart is a recent example of a company that has achieved a strong position in many markets, through its use of new inventory-management, marketing, and personnel-management techniques, using its resulting lower prices to eliminate the profitability of older or smaller companies. Just as older behemoths perceived to be juggernauts by their contemporaries (e.g., Montgomery Ward, Kmart, Sears) were eventually undone by nimbler and more innovative competitors, Wal-Mart faces the same threat. Just as the cassette tape replaced the 8-track, only to be replaced in turn by the compact disc (which is now being undercut by MP3 players), the seemingly dominant Wal-Mart may well find itself an antiquated company of the past. This is the process of creative destruction.

In fact, successful innovation is normally a source of temporary market power, eroding the profits and position of old firms, yet ultimately succumbing to the pressure of new inventions commercialised by competing entrants. Creative destruction is a powerful economic concept because it can explain many of the dynamics of industrial change: the transition from a competitive to a monopolistic market, and back again. It has been the inspiration of endogenous growth theory and also of evolutionary economics.

Creative destruction can hurt. Layoffs of workers with obsolete working skills can be one price of new innovations valued by consumers. Though a continually innovating economy generates new opportunities for workers to participate in more creative and productive enterprises (provided they can acquire the necessary skills), creative destruction can cause severe hardship in the short term.

[AdamSmith]

BennyHin wrote,

Saskfarmer3:

Since you like to measure a pool return (or fixed basis price for that matter) to a conveniently hand-picked US spot price, why don't you instead provide us with a real-time marketing plan for this year so that all of us can measure your extraordinary ability to beat a pool return every time.


Benny on my DTN in the Grains Menus there is the category Bids/Auctions
within that menus there are close to 90 North Dakota elevator locations that post their daily prices and are updated every day.

I bet if I threw two darts, one for the location and one for the date, once a month for a full year, and took the price of wheat posted at that elevator in which my dart landed on the day my other dart landed on a calender.

I could beat the cwb pooled price for wheat. That's how easy it would be to beat the cwb pooled price.

My point is the total randomness of an idiot in ND would out perform the cwb.

[Burbert]

It is our farm marketing board, evolving and changing to meet the challenges of future framers. It is currently enshrined in law, run by fram directors, backed by government money. Can't get better than that, tools. Marketing should not be run by a mob of chiseling, buttki--ers, motivated by greed, shouting everyone else down. The alternative lies in the "Open Market" duds, use it! Or move the US of A's where freedom and democracy come from the barrel of a gun. Motto, love it or leave it, applies to Comedian Framers.

[chaffmeister]

"Can't get better than that, tools."

Sure it can. you could have a system that doesn't cost you so much money - in real terms and in lost opportunities.

What part of this is lost on you Burbert?

[Fransisco]

Canada is a free Country Burbert maybe you would feel more comfortable in Cuba or North Korea. Maybe it is you who should learn to love it(freedom)or leave it.

[TOM4CWB]

Burbert,

You said;

"It is our farm marketing board"

When did I vote for it?

Ontario and Quebec need two thirds approval to get a marketing board in place in Manditory terms.

OWPMB did not even vote on the monopoly the Ontario Wheat Board had, they simply and with out fan fare just de-regulated.

Why should it be any different in Alberta?

The "Trade and Commerce" Constitutional title the CWB Act gets its originating authority from does not cover Agriculture, or the produce grown by me on my farm;

Provincial legislation is needed... which by the way SK and MB have in place. Alberta removed it's CWB authorisation in the early 1980's.

Alberta has every right to be out of the "designated area"... just not to a choice market using the CWB. This is the problem from what I have learned.