Louis Dreyfus in Yorkton

[agstar77]

GP , and when did you ever believe that there is a free market in any good or service produced? There is always some sort of control whether it is Government or multinational. There may be levels of control but no truly free market.

[gregpet]

I was not talking about an idealistic free market that we read about in our text books. I am talking about reality and the free market that sends us price signals so we can manage our risk, lock in profitable prices, make informed planting decisions, etc...
That may be a problem with the CWB thinking, it does not deal with the real world and real people, it is an idealistic institution that decides to insulate itself from the real world.

[agstar77]

When you are looking out a year the open market doesn't have a great record of providing proper signals.

[gregpet]

But I am able to lock in a profitable price.

[northfarmer]

agstar....quit sniffing the glue....

the open market does not send proper signals?

what do you think the Canola market signal is....

$10 plus canola off the combine......plant it, forward sell some of it, sell even more with a call option ....

but wheat, I have buy into into these bullshit futures only FPC for next year, and then cover my position on the MGEX....

with $10 wheat right now on MGEX, and $8.25 Dec 08.....but &*ck wheat i will grow peas. canola and oats, there will be less wheat grown than there should be beacuse we are shackled by this bullshit designated area crap by the CWB.......screw the CWB....

by the way Japanese trading house Matsui is already major player and buyer of commodities from Canada, investing in plant with LD is not suprise to me...they likely forsee growing demand for not only our raw canola but also oil and see the margin opportunity in crushing it.....this brings one of my customers closer to my farm...all the better.....the more comeptition for Bunge and other crushers the better for basis!!!

[silverback]

What is the difference between a foreign investor trying to guarantee it's own supply needs and the forced collectivism that the cwb has engaged in for 60 plus years?

They have forced my family to give the one product that grows the best on our land to them, and they have had the power to tell us how much it was worth, deduct their expenses, then give us the leftovers.

In reality we have been an employee of a foreign company from winnipeg/ottawa that we never applied for or asked for it's help. I hate this company.

[chaffmeister]

Agstar:

You're confusing price signals with forecasts - open market mechanisms such as futures do not forecast prices - were never meant to.

Futures DO INDEED provide excellent price signals.

Nov 09 canola (out about a year) closed yesterday at $469.90. This is not a forecast - this is an actual, real price for Nov 09. Put it together with a sound basis from a buyer - or sound analysis of what basis should be - and you have your price signal (and guess what? you can actually sell today at that price.)

[just_wondering]

Agstar re:Profitability has nothing to do with purchases by foreign companies . Its all about assurance of supply. They are worried about sourcing product

This is exactly why malt houses are being built in the Caribbean and Asia with business plans of using Canadian Barley.
Why would the CWB not get out of Barley at the very least and allow for some value added to happen.
The co-product could then be fed to livestock jobs would stay in Canada. We would be able to sell direct to Maltsters so that they could ensure supply.
What has it been since Oats was let out 15 years Barley is not the thin edge of the wedge that will kill the CWB, it's the no compromise all or nothing attitude of the single desk Directors.