CWB barley changes

[charliep]

Some who are participating here may be very familiar with the CW B organic program but other may not. Here is the link for those that want more information. Relatest to barley as may be a model for the what could happen under a CWB single desk.

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/farmers/organic/

[charliep]

JW
good questions, perhaps Charlie can add some assistance here too.
Like pricing canola you'd be the one taking the price that is acceptable to your operation. So if you agree to contract barley at $5 bu in April, and come Nov its 5.25 at your local feeder well that can happen. The Maltsters will be forward pricing, trying to ( in my mind) ensure a premium over feed. Like your canola, you agreed to a price. With direct contracting, then the contracts are valid, unlike signing a current CWB malt contract.
As to all domestic and on farm storage? not sure. New proposal has the CWB handling export malt themselves with no change to the system. This changes only affect domestic malt - Right Charlie?
Believe the CWB will still be going to the line companies for the export malt. Some companies do have agreements with domestic maltsters so the new system would work there. For those that are within easy trucking distance to maltsters, the one on one relationship would work.
Can the CWB extract premiums from the international market place? that is the $64,000 question. I don't think so, by averaging it, you don't see the premium, there is no transparency in pooling. No advantage to the producer at all. By being the middle man they are saving jobs, and lord knows that!
I still question that if they have the expertise in those offices, then why can't they compete in an open market and earn my business. They don't need assets, they can work just as the brokers I deal with in feed wht/bly do. Yet that might mean job losses - OH WELL!!!
Erik

[cropduster]

Erik.......AND we should SEE the premiums they(CWB) get for us...RIGHT??NOT unlike the PREMIUMS we are getting now!!!My feeling is the `PREMIUM` we are getting now is a SHAFT up the sphincter!!!!!!!!!

[TOM4CWB]

Erik,

The "single desk" is a simple cop out.

It is a license to take barley without the obligation to be transparent or accountable.

Until this is resolved... marketing with the CWB as a "partner" will not improve.

Ontario wheat growers made the transition, as did the ABB in Ausieland and even the AWB must now pull up their socks and provide competitive transparent prices.

It is time the CWB was woke up of their slumber party...

The world has changed every where else but here?

In the real world... If you burn the bread too many times... you get to watch someone else make the toast!

Why should our marketing service provider get a; pass, free ride, and never show any initiative to provide better services?

If the CWB were to provide a decent "Act of God" clause... that would provide integrity to a marketing system for both growers and consumers... a decent marketing option if quality does not make the grade...

If the CWB can't innovate and make this work this year... with the strength of the corn market...

Good grief!

[charliep]

Am working to get an explanation of the programs directly from the CWB so will leave some of the questions. It is not direct price negotiation between a farmer and a maltster (or maybe exporter as well - the western producer article leaves some doubt in my mind).

The program does not deal with the delivery terms/selection specifications either. Will note from feedback on the focus group work in November (Camrose and Drumheller) this remains a major contention for farmers but the proposals in no way deal with these issues (except for maybe downloading more of this risk on farmers when you sign a contract). The delivery timing and selection/rejection terms will have to be dealt with using a process like the proposed cash clearing house (clearer definition of delivery terms and quality combined with an outside party to provide dispute resolution). To be clear, these problems exist today and are outside the current discussion about CWB/open market pricing issues.

[Burbert]

Here's a novel idea*** Lets turn over our barley marketing, to the brainiacs here on Angriville. These Duds are great, they knowitall, are getting filthy rich at the expense of us other framers. Let them spread the wealth around, and help us out. Being the great loveable group that they are, acting as our brokers, we'll either be broke or or converted. Me,me,me, thats the way it should be, to h--l with the rest! Men of tru genius, legends in their own minds. Chieslers, and cheapskates are plentiful in framing gimme, gimme, gimme, more than my fair share, lets all whine and snivel at the same time.........

[just_wondering]

Erik/charlie
It's tough to see how the new program can ensure that premium over the spot feed market let alone world spot prices, it's just going to be the CWB and their magical mystical basis adjustments.
These never the same answer twice on how they are calculated

I guess I need Paul Besinger to tell me how the program works. Talk about trust me it's fine.

[TOM4CWB]

Burbert,

Your trolling is annoying.

If you need to market through a service provider that pools (like the CWB)... BE MY GUEST... on a voluntary basis.
The right to forge one's own family farm and community's future... is an important step to responsible and accountable business management. It is also a fundamental right and freedom in a free and democratic society!

[Incognito]

Posted by Burbert on December 10, 2003 at 16:51:40:

Which model of straight cut header will fit our 77 L2? We use the combine, for wheat, barley and canola and do about 400 acres per year.

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Burbert needs the CWB.
The CWB needs Burbert.
Maybe the CWB will buy him a new head...er.

Happy New Year.

[parsley]

WheatGrower,

Schemey thought you had:

"Maybe the Maltsters should be buying "Feed Barley"

But there is one thing wrong with it.

Maltsters' facilities are designated as "works for the general advantage of Canada", which means they can be shut down in an instant if the grain arriving is not properely licensed.

The farmer can sell it, but the maltster can't buy it!

Keep in mind that the CWB can, and might, request to take a peek at the interprovincial license for the malting barley being delivered. No doumentation? The CWB would zap the Maltster's door shut.

Parsley

[parsley]

charliep, In order for the CWB to put money into the pooling accounts, they have to buy the grain and then sell it.

Buy it at one price.

Sell it at another price.

In the case of maltsters, the farmer would buy it back, right?


Parsley


PS

The CWB is back to word-tricking. Write one thing and mean another.Say one thiong and mean another.

The bottom line is this:

The CWB wants a piece of the action even thought they provide nothing useful. How? It means buying/selling farmers' grain. With sticky fingers.

[just_wondering]

At the savemycwb rally their was a speaker ( a former Alberta pool employee) who spoke about farming about that much.
I don't no who who be more insulted by the comparison.
I would stand by all the words I've posted here, would Burburt be able to stand by his?
Remember famouspipeliner in the last Sask election