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    Take a look a this article cotton posted on a another thread.

    http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie122707.html

    #2
    I too have invisioned many of the same ideas the author of this article has conveyed I on the other hand was not able to rationalize the method in which it would take place. So many thoughs and quotes jump to mind following reading this article such as feed a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and eats eats forever...instead of fish it's money. If even half of the predictions made in the article come to fruition the only thing that can be blamed for it is greed, primarily coporate greed but also individual greed. All to often people don't recognize that every dollar bill (or coin in Canada) has to be backed by something tangible ie.gold, land, oil and yes even wheat. Over the last five years we've seen an explosive increase in both wages and the cost of goods. The real kicker is that the everyday consumer is, well, basicaly stupid! You give them an extra dollar and they think they can spend two. This drives spending and gives money hungry companies the idea they can charge more, slightly increasing wages resulting in another in another unearned dollars being spent and so on and so forth. Then you throw in banks who have the short sighted vision that if you give people the illusion that they can spend is the best way to esure that they ask for more money to spend, taking their cut all the way. So what are you left with? Billions of dollars of "wealth" that exists soley on paper and nothing tangible to back it up with. After all, a house is not worth $600,000, a home is, and when it's crunch time and when it strikes home that a dollar bill is not worth it's weight in tangible product that value of "home" suddenly becomes hard to sell. That leaves us with one N. America's largest "wealth" sources worth nothing at all and the foolish people left with nothing tangible to pay their, now, liablities with, leaving banks, wich drive investing in buisness with nothing invest. What does this leave us with? Basicaly it's capitalism imploding on itself and a hard reboot of the entire system. Is this a bad thing? For millions of people it is, the greedy ones that were givin a dollar without regard to what that dollar actualy was worth. But for many with a keen buisness sense and a good understanding of economics/politics they will leverage the value money, not unlike the banks, except on tangible investments. After all having more money isn't the only way to gain wealth, sometimes having the same amount of money while others have less is just as effective.

    After spending the last two month in uder confusion on where to focus my resources I find it comforting to see that someone with alot more training and experiences agree with my ideas. I see a power shifting back from big buisness to consumers, as ther will be far less of them and a realization of the value of nesecities by consumers. For far too long the western world has taken things like food for granted, I see a shift in this beleif, no longer will spending be on fun first, food second. My thoughts are that the remaining investors will view tangibles this was as well, driving up the value of raw goods and natural resources. No doubt what happens in the U.S. will eventualy effect Canada but I'm not affraid. Why? Because I paid attention, learnt and understood what a debt to equity, solvency and liquidity ratios were and how down the line the would affect my true wealth. It's just too bad that the vast majority, including buisness, didn't do the same

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      #3
      Interesting read, but just a word of caution.

      Not saying he’s wrong, but I’ve heard these kinds of prophets of doom starting many years ago, and according to the article, 2008 is the again the year of doom. If all of the analyst’s predictions are right, then gold would be a very good investment…..which just happens to be what the analyst sells. Caveat emptor.

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        #4
        FarmRanger Et el;

        We are told there is no inflation... yet billions are created out "thin air" to keep our system from imploding.

        We are told only a few people can't sell the house they have been trying to sell since last spring... at a 25% discount... Yet the "experts" are saying house prices are still estimated to rise 3% next year!

        "Fear" is the big problem!

        We will never run out of zeros to add to our loonie... but if fear stops people from working, creating, cooperating, and confidence is lost... collapse is certainly possible!

        Civilisation is a state of mind! Prosperity is a state of mind!
        Confidence is a state of mind!

        THis is the best time in history to live... we in Canada are very blessed... as we do live in the greatest country on the face of the planet earth!

        God Bless Canada, and may 2008 give us the opportunity to share these many blessings!

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          #5
          Do not buy GOLD on the basis of one article. The sellers of gold have promoted it for a reason...they want to make a killing. End of story.

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            #6
            Do you have any idea how large the gold market is?Nobody can control it.

            Jim Willie is an economist not a pumper.

            Wilagro,Farm Ranger do you guys not see that it was impossible for grain to move to new highs without gold moving to new highs?

            Do you not see gold continusly being quoted in the financial markets?
            Do you think that has something to do with jewerly demand?

            When some analyst says buy gold he is also saying buy copper,wheat,oil,etc,etc.The reasons are there if you take the time to read and understand.

            With all do respect you guys actually know less than nothing about the financial markets because you think you actually know something.

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              #7
              Bye the way jim was promoting gold 4 years ago when it was under 400 dollars.This last fridays close 842.
              Compare that to a savings bond.

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                #8
                There were gold sellers telling us what a deal was 10 years ago too, but just for arguments sake lets compare the last 4 years.

                4 years ago it took 1.5 Canadian to buy 1 American dollar, therefore you would have needed about 600 Candian dollars to buy that oz of gold (assuming $0 in commissions and other charges for acquiring that gold). In order for a cash investment to be equal to that $842 oz of gold, it would have had to return 9% annually in Canadian dollars.

                Cherry picking (4 best years, and no commissions) the data in favour of gold and it still only shows a 9% ROI. If you’d bought that gold 3 or 4 years earlier, the savings bond would have been the better investment.

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                  #9
                  Farmranger and Wilagro,

                  I to believe C.P.. is fishing in very unproductive waters.

                  If a cross hedge is being looked for... there is no real need to go any further than BLACK OIL.

                  CDN$... Grains... Oilseeds... all are more directly connected to black oil than any other single factor.

                  And virtually no one is short black oil (mentally at least) of the most popular "experts".

                  Buying put options... could well be the best hedge on grain...

                  A spread perhaps?

                  Canadian Dollar Calls... and Black Oil Puts?

                  If black oil stays @ 100/b till mid summer... our grain price stays high as well!

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                    #10
                    I find it amusing that even though everyone is arguing a different point, yet everyone is still saying the same thing...Natural resources and precious metals are the way to go due to an unstable finacial/political world. On that note I think if you are mortgaged to the hilt on residential property I would be dumping it by next October, and reinvesting 18 months from that time. A correction is near. Alot of excitment is near.

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                      #11
                      4 years ago the canadian dollar was around .75.
                      4 years ago gold was 400 dollars.
                      4 years ago bond yields were what 4%.
                      Even if you just bought the metal your still kicken ass.
                      Most people buy a fund company.
                      Many of those have returns in the 20% area.

                      Nice spin though.

                      Black gold and gold are going up but i could name five commoddities that will double before they do(barring unforseen geo-political risks).

                      P.s-i've been out of gold and oil for quite awhile now.

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                        #12
                        20 years ago today gold was $485.70
                        20 years ago Canuck buck was .78
                        $485.70 invested in an 8% bond investment at the time would be worth $2,263 today.
                        Gold has a lot of catching up to do.

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                          #13
                          ado098,

                          Check out:

                          http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1197904020.php

                          "Fear" is our biggest issue... will the average person soon find out that money is an illusion... backed by thin air... Does it even matter?

                          I am simply amazed that 99.9% of people just stare... their eyes glaze over... and they close their minds!

                          They choose not to go here!

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                            #14
                            It is a good time to have our own personal debt under control.

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                              #15
                              Gold starts the 70's at 35 dollars
                              Nixon closes the window.
                              Gold goes to 850 buy the early eighties.
                              All commodities rise in this time period.
                              Our last inflationary cycle.
                              The fed raises rates to 19% to stop inflation.
                              This raised the bond yields.
                              Mission accomplished.
                              Thus begins the longest and deepest commodity bear market in recorded human history.
                              Most here probably sense this.
                              It could be argued that farmers got it the worst.Generational family farms are very much different than other businesses.

                              This time its different.

                              If rates were jacked to 18% this time the global economy would imploded.

                              How ever it plays out will be interesting.

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