Pecuniary Benefit...What the hell is it?

[parsley]

Addendums:

To get a license, all you need to pay is the difference between the price inside and outside Canada.


But the CWB refuses licenses to ALL Westerners.

Flatly refuses them.

This is why we need a Minister who knows how to give an order. He must order the Board to issue license to farmers.

If the CWB claim they cannot legally do so, then the Minister must then order the CWB to quit issuing licenses to all feed mills. After all, it would be illegal, right?

[parsley]

What would you do/say if:

1. Elections Canada,a national entity, refused ballots to all voters in the Peace River area?

2. Firearms Registrar, a national entity, refused gun licenses to all applicants in the Dauphin, Manitoba area?

3.Canada Pension, a national pension entity refused to send cheques to only the seniors in Lac St Jean, PQ?

4.Canadian Wheat Baord, a national wheat and barley licensing entity, refused to grant licenses to only Prairie farmers?

You'd think there would be at least one politician who could understand the issue. They seem to be obsessed with everyones' rights EXCEPT the rights of Prairie farmers.

Parsley

[parsley]

Now here's the real dope:


Once your license is denied.

You can eat the grain

or sell it to the Board.

Once it's sold to the Board, or offered, it enters, or call it funneled, into Part III Marketing.

Once it is sold to the Board, they can burn it. Or the CWB can landfill it. Or the CWB can sell it to Mongolia. Or they can sell it to China. Or they can sell it to you.Or refuse to sell it to you.

If you buy it....


after you sold it...

then you bought it back from the Board.

That's legal.
It's called a Part III Buyback

If you sell it and buy it back in Part III, it is considered Marketing. I want nothing to do with CWB Marketing.

Grain on the farm that is NOT offered is never part of Marketing by the CWB.

I want a license from Part IV for my unoffered grain, and then it never enters Part III Marketing.


Part III Marketing is regional

Part IV Licensing is National.

Parsley

Agstar knows this well, don't you agstar?

[parsley]

Now if I was the CWB and I outright told farmers I was denying Westerners only, their licenses, I'd expect some flack.

The problem is, if the Board grants the license, what grain would go into the pool accounts? Who would be so er...bold? Agstar's grain, yes, yes.


So the Board needs to get the grain to flow into Part III Marketing, without looking like like the Board is practicing discrimination.


The Board knows the LEGAL requirement to get a licence is the payment of the difference between the price inside and outside Canada which is currently $0.00.

So if I work for the Board,the best public relations I can do is to "pretend" that Part IV Licensing requires you to pay a sum that is hokey pokey. They tell you that the buyback is tucked away in Part IV.

It aint, boys. And you bought it. Hook,line and sinker.

Oh..idea...The Board could get the Feds to resign from NAFTA, get the Feds to set the price of grain inside Canada at $2.00, and with the world price at $13.00, the Government could stash $11.00 per bushel into their coffers.

(Don't trust them either. They might.)


I thought I'd share these thoughts in case I die with them.

Parsley

[furrowtickler]

Keep it comming pars! Crack open pandoras box once and for all!

[parsley]

46(d)in the Act mirrors Regulation 14(b).

Parsley says this:

The national pecuniary benefit/tariff payable in Part IV Marketing is described in 46(d)/14(b). The Pecuniary benefit/tariff is calculated from the difference between the price inside and outside Canada, and is presently $0.00. The price inside and outside Canda has to be the same because the CWB incorporated NAFTA into the CWB Act.



The CWB claims this:

The pecuniary benefit payable in Part IV Marketing is only regional and is described in 46(d)/14(b).

The CWB states, that 46(d)/14(b) is a buyback/PDF/pecuniary benefit. They claim the buyback is based upon the difference between the World price and the CWB's initial price in the DA. The amount presently collected is whatever the CWB wants it to be.

And nobody argues with them!


Look at how legally stupid their stance is:

A. Because the "pecuniary" is in the NATIONAL part of the Act, the so-called buyback would have to apply to all applicants across Canada.Right?

Nationally. Ontario farmers would be legally required to do a buyback. Good luck. Duh. And the money from Ontario buybacks would go into Western pooling accounts. Duh.

2. It would mean that the CWB has officially appointed the CWB's INITIAL price as representing the "price inside Canada". Duh. (Wonder if they told Ontario that?) The price inside Canada is NOT the initial price. The price inside Canada, says NAFTA, has to be the world price.

3. Whatever happened to the legislators' wishes who wrote the Act? The CWB discards respect for them like used tissue.

4. Whatever happened to stopping sending national tax money to Ottawa, instead depositing it in Western pools? Doesn't the Minister know what the Act demands?

5. What has happened to the courts, who sat back and allowed many famers to be denied licenses, all the time, by the CWB, and then be jailed for not having a license? No judges would allow mass licensing denials to happen to any other group of people. What kind of judges are being appointed? Where the hell is the Human Rights Commission when you need them?

Enough chatter for 10 minutes. Hope I haven't monopolized this thread too much.(grin)

Parsley

[parsley]

Tidbit for your bedtime mindflashing:

You recall how 46(d)/14(b) specified:

"export of that grain or those products"


PRODUCTS

Focus on the word products.

Parsley says the Government/CWB would be able to collect a national tariff/pecuniary benefit on the products of wht/bly. There would be statistics to compare the prices inside Canada with the world price.

flour
pearled barley
malt
etc.

But the CWB claims 46/14 is a regional buyback.

So how could they possibly collect the difference between the World price and the initial price in the designated area of PRODUCTS?Duh. It's what the CWB claim, not me!

I've never seen the CWB's DA Initial price of Products' Listing! Duh. Have you? What's the initial price of malt?(not malt barley. Malt is a product)Duh.


Ask the Directors: What is the intial price of flour in Elie, Manitoba? Duh.

The CWB doesn't even sell flour!


Farmer run? Farmers need to distance themselves from that jingle..Farmer run. Otherwise, farmers are going to look like 81 IQ'ers.

Parsley

[parsley]

And if 46/14 is indeed the buyback, as the CWB claim it is, Robin Hood Flour Mills in Ontario would have to do a buyback on flour. After all 46/14 is in the National part of the Act!

Jeepers, tell that to Robin Hood's marketing team...that they would have to pay a fee based upon the difference between the World Price of flour and the initial price of flour in the DA because the CWB says .

Then tell him that pecuniary benefit he just paid, that the CWB insist is a buyback, has to be deposited in Western Pooling accounts.


Fur

flying

MP's quivering

CWB slinking


Stress leave bonuses


Damages paid to all of the above.
Uh huh.

Parsley

The problem is this....the CWB tell you 46/14 is a buyback, but they don't mean it. They know it isn't. They just tell farmers it is. And farmers believe them. And don't argue. And keep paying the conjured buyback. And don't watch their money sliding into silk purses.

[parsley]

Let's get ridiculous:

The CWB legislation always demanded an import tariff be extracted as well as the export tariff. (A decade or so ago, the import tarrif requirement was rescinded.)

Parsley could collect a tariff on imports based upon the difference between the price inside and outside Canada.

So how the hell would the CWB collect that pecuniary benefit doing a buyback on imports, that they claim 46/14 describes?

How can an importer of pearled barley in Montreal calculate the difference between the world price of pearled barley and the initial price of pearled barley in the DA? And send the pecuniary benefit to the DA pooling accounts?

I do not reason as does a paramecium.

Parsley

[parsley]

Money.

Money always gets attention.


The CWB require producers to do a buyback/PDF for both EXPORT and for DOMESTIC sales of wheat used for food.

But if furrowtickler wants to ship a load of wheat to a flour mill in Ontario, the CWB requires him to do a buyback.

But the Act says furrowtickler doesn't have to pay an interprovincial fee. They say no fee shall be charged:


"14.1 The Corporation may grant a licence for the transportation from one province to another, or for the sale or delivery anywhere in Canada of wheat, wheat products, barley or barley products, but no fee shall be charged for such a licence.”

So why does furrowtickler pay?
Wouldn't it be better in his pocket?


Who is the playground bully?
Where is the Minister?


Either stand up and take control of your wheat and barley industry, Agri-villers, or you will never make a penny growing wheat and barley.

Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77,

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Confused Defendant


At the conclusion of a criminal trial in a high profile bank robbery case, the judge turned to the jury foreman and asked if the jury had reached a verdict.

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[parsley]

Wheat Board behind-the-scenes policy has a profound negative effect upon the West.

An eastern farmer-entepreneur wanting to value-add, transports his wheat/barley/product across the line, or into Japan, or into INDONESIA, a CWB license in hand, granted to him, with open arms, by the CWB.

A western farmer-entepreneur wanting to value-add, has to sell his grain to the CWB because the CWB always denies his license.

Lots of staff at the CWB are hired to specifically perform the national Licenening duties that the CWB is legislatively responsible to fulfill.

Someone composes and revises licenses..one for the seedgrowers, one for the EMFA, one for the kamut growers, one for Ontario Wheat Marketing Board, etc.

All the Accreditied Agencies need an ok license from the CWB before they send their feed barley to Saudi Arabia.

Every bit of grain exported out of the DA has to be either licensed or licensed-waived. Takes a lot of staff. The DA is part of Canada and is subject to the national licensing requirement set forth by Parliament.

And get this.

ALL NATIONAL LICENSING IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAID FOR BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Everyone knows that if a specific Legislation requires the collection of a tariff, that the cost is to be borne by the Government of Canada.

Who else do you suppose should be responsible for paying the collection cost of national tarrifs, if it isn't the Feds?

Playschool toddlers?
53 year old Scottish women?
First Nation twenty-five year olds?
Level 4 Care Home seniors in Brandon, Manitoba?

The CWB ignores their own legislation.


Guess who's payin' national licensing costs?


Yup.

Yup.

DA farmers.

Maybe DA farmers can pay for the gun registry too. Goody.

Maybe DA farmers can pay for national environmental inspections spills, too, Goody.

Maybe DA farmers can pay for Elections Canada expenses, too. Goody gum drops.

What the hell have the Ministers in charge of your money been doing?

What kind of elected Directors did you vote for, that allows the Feds to continue to download the cost of nationally licensing every bit of grain that passes through the Ontario Wheat Marketing Board, ONTO D.A. FARMERS?

Licensing entails inspecting, border co-operation, revisions, arranging licensing for corporations, policing, sample-taking, in-camera meetings and on and on. Licensing is ALSO court expenses for charging farmers for NOT being licensed.

National licensing is huge. And a huge expense.

Make your CWB accountable to you.

They are spending millions on national licensing.

That Eastern entrepreneur, has all his licensing expenses paid for by Westerners. From your pooling accounts.

It's despicable.

Parsley