Ritz and KVD

[agstar77]

Definitely a man of action! Get rid of of KVD by Aug 1 2008, even if most of the industry wants transition in 2010. Main group wanting it? Seedgrowers. Can't wait to sell more cloned varieties with little or no benefit. They can also sell more certified seed on the pretext of varietal purity. Wheat to go the way of canola , more varieties higher seed prices and GMO's. Strange how he can listen to the barley malster's when their message suits his agenda. When the industry message does'nt suit his agenda he ignores it.

[Raven]

Agstar, I'm sure you didn't mean ignore my question before, so for your convenience I'll repeat it here.


On the CWB website, they say that organic farmers can sell inter-provincially by making a payment to the CWB. How can the CWB do this because CWB Regulation 14.1 clearly states: "no fee shall be charged"?

[wilagro]

Getting rid of KVD may be a bad move from what I have read. Without KVD ordinary producers could open themselves to expensive litigation under circumstances where mixed lots are shipped and nobody knows who through in the WRONG variety. We could be penalized for the actions of others. This whole thing needs more study and clarification before change is made IMHO.

[charliep]

I'll start off with the recognition that canola for most part is one generic product (realizing that there are Identity preserved specialty oil types).

I will comment that it is strange to complain about canola with a track record of growth and an achievable business plan to achieve 15 MMT production/consumption by 2015 - doubling of both in 10 years. Wheats track record will be 10 MMT exports by 2015 regardless of what marketing system Canada has, a 50 % decline from current levels. Implication Canada is not competitive at the currrent with the rest of the world in producing wheat with the Russia, Ukraine and Kazakstan replacing us in many markets.

I'll leave the KVD issue for discussion. The challenge though is for industry to provide strategic direction versus simply hold onto the past. Where is Canada going with wheat moving away from the CWB/single for the moment? Where do we need to position ourselves?

[agstar77]

And you're asking me pourquoi? Not an organic farmer, not a CWB spokesman.

[Raven]

So Agstar, your just a CWB expert about subjective and vague things you think will make them look good? Well, maybe Vader will answer the question.

In the meantime, could you give us more gloom and doom, sky is falling warnings for when producers get export licenses. I love it, while basking in the thought: THE MONOPOLY IS BROKEN!

[agstar77]

I would be interested to hear what high value markets we have been supplanted in by Russia or Kazakstan.

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77,

Good of you to bring to our attention... the 3rd world marketing systems the CWB needs to compare themselves to... to feel superior.

The FSU can't respond to market signals... because of a lack of progressive infrastructure... tarrifs... and a gov. that wants to keep internal food costs down. Sounds like the CWB's excuse as well.

ON KVD;

KVD is a burden on grain growers.

Grain co's shouldn't screw up... they should be working on sample based quality... not leave we farmers with the tab... It is costing us 100's of Millions... to have your blankie and thumb sucking habit Agstar77.

If we were working on quality based on falling #'s... like the rest of the world has been doing for decades... and Winter vs. Spring wheat... Classes... we could harmonise with the US grading standards and extract much more for Canadian "designated area" wheat growers.

I am told this is what the CWB recommends for Winter Wheat right now.

Canola does not need KVD... it has much more costly issues than wheat to deal with if it is mixed when it should not be RIGHT NOW.

Get over it.

Ritz is RIGHT.

[charliep]

You are right that FSU are not replacing Canada in high value markets. The Canadian exports that will be reduced are the ones to the lower priced/less quality concious countries. With identity preserved programs and more direct relations, there is no reason why FSU countries can't go after the quality end of the market over time.

Given the trends to reduced exports (with the claim to fame quality) and the increased need for wheat domestically (feed and ethanol), where should Canada direct resources on plant breeding? What cost does KVD impose on the current system? Maybe Canada should target CWRS wheat and durum in the same way canola satisfies the specialty oil markets. Liability issues will be there in the future but the same issues exist today.

[farm_boy]

I am new to this writing on this site, but I've been following it once in awhile for some time. I feel that KVD is a huge burden. It does not exist anywhere else in the world, and it has been eliminated completely in Ontario as well. Ontario removed KVD for red wheats back in the early 90's when white wheat dominated. Since that time, red wheat has come to dominate with higher yielding varieties, better fusarium resistant varieties and now taking up about 80% of wheat acres in Ontario (which have also increased substantially). Last year, KVD was removed for white wheat as well.

[TOM4CWB]

farm_boy,

I had thought that was the case... when we took the CTEAM course... I was told the same in our visits to Ontario.

The CGC has been telling at best half truths on their news releases... with respect to KVD.

There must be something in the water in Winnipeg that has infected the water... when people stay there more than a few weeks... their brains get a quick freeze and stop working!

Some kind of micro_freeze bug... that turns rational people into wimps that are afraid of their own shadows!

[northfarmer]

enough has been said about the technical issues of removing KVD, there are none, we are the only wheat exporting nation in the world using KVD and are share of global markets, and even the high quality ones are getting smaller and not larger....

as for farmers assuming more liability, that will only happen if we let the grain co's (WGEA) shift that liability to us, or if farmers falsely represent the grain they are dumping in the pit for something it is not...that would be fraud and those farmers will and should pay...if i dump what i swear i have dumped, and have my sample to prove it the liability is no longer mine.......quit your fear mongering about change, you are just buying into the agenda of WGEA and the millers who have it best under KVD....

as for varieties bring it on, and why not GMO.....credible sources say that GMO wheat will be grown in AUS and US before long, likely is being grown in China now....and not because of herb tolerant...this is driven by disease/drought resistance and other traits.....

seems Ritz is in action mode....bring it on!!!

[agstar77]

We probably will fall behind as our "NEW" government is intent on offloading crop development and gutting government research in favour of the commercial market. I am not particularily picking on our new government, they have just accelerated what the Libranos were doing. Whether we should try to grow cheap grain for the paper tiger of an ethanol industry, is the main question . I would rather grow less for a higher price. No one has proven the long term viability of the ethanol industry. We are still in the food industry and that should be our primary focus.

[LWeber]

Can we fall any further behind than this Aggie?

Where is the fiduciary responsibility of the CWB who keep claiming "a premium" - does that fall to the CWB Board of Directors?

Is there D&O Liability insurance and does the rider says Billions and not Millions?

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[furrowtickler]

Agslump - we are growing less(bus) for less($) than almost anywhere in the world in regards to hrsw. Take the blinders off and have a look around man!