CWB ........ the shift has begun

[Fransisco]

You keep forgetting Tower, the majority of farmers want choice, they voted for it in the plebiscite. The Conservatives promised and ran two federal elections on choice.

Keeping election promises and giving farmers choice is the right thing to do.

By the way according to Larry Webbers daily price comparisons yesterday Ontario farmers where getting

$2.60 per bu more for their winter wheat than Sask farmers who are under the CWB's thumb,in Montana it was $3.55per bu.

Spring wheat was $6.85 higher out east and $7.68 higher down south.

Durum is 10.13 per bu higher in Montana and Malt barley was $1.65 a bu higher.

That's the kind of extra money western Canadian farmers would be getting from those big bad evil corporations if it wasn't for the collectivist wheat board.

[tower]

You think the evil corporations would be giving you Ontario prices for your grain? Good for you.

Even were it true, or were it false that the vast majority of farmers want the board around, It does not justify the betrayal of democracy by a politician like Ritz.

[just_wondering]

Tower could you explain how you get Vast majority of farmers want CWB:
is it plebiscite, No single desk got 38% nope no majority there.
Is it producer surveys, no ritter himself says the plebiscite was about what they expected.
You may be thinking producer elections.
where everyone and their dog gets a vote. the NFU can canvass the old folks homes while the vast majority of Ballots get tossed.
FYI voter turnout is less than 30% in CWB elections and they call that huge support.
The board has all it needs to run a voluntary pool
Why don't we give that a try?
Gawd I'm sick of this BS, how do the towers of the world have any credibility?

[kryger]

Them evil,bad multi-national corporations are paying the American farmers pretty good money for their Wheat, Tower. The CWB must be keeping the "premium" for them selves this year, or maybe they gave it to the Liberal war chest.

[tower]

The plebiscite that the government was working with when it made the promises had for the board alone, 38%, against the board alone, 14%. Anyway you look at it that's more than 2 and 1/2 times as many. Those of us that wanted the option, want the option.

I don't think it is the responsibility of the Board to prove that it can exist as one part of a dual market system for barley. I think it is the responsibility of those making the big stink about wanting out of the board to show the rest of us won't be unduly harmed by this kind of government action.

I don't mean the stacking of a democratically elected Board of directors with idealogically identical yes men. Or the firing of the opposition, or the intimidation techniques. That kind of thing Harper and Ritz will answer for.

[wd9]

Parsely, The board should still be only approving the overall budget, the CEO hires and fires the staff, negotiating and signing the contracts for services etc.

One board, one employee, the CEO. Hire them wisely.

But again, that is good governance, a concept unimaginable by the CWB board.

[parsley]

wd9,

I was thinking more along the lines that she worked directly for the Board of Directors. Could they have interviewed her and approved of her contract?

But she recieived pay from the Corporation?

It's happened in other Boardrooms.

I know from experience.

Parsley

[Fransisco]

tower there is nothing more democratic than the marketplace. It's time for farmers to vote with their trucks.

[tower]

I don't believe that a Canadian can actually believe that a market is a democracy,, give your head a shake.

[TOM4CWB]

Fransisco,

Tower made it clear WE are the slaves, and have no right to complain. HE has the right to profit from his Mastery over us... at our expense.


"Designated Area" Growers who need the freedom and right to look after their own affairs... must pay the Towers/Masters first...& they can't do anything without his permission.

Tower,

Explain why exactly we are not your slaves?

[parsley]

tower,

I can fully inderstand why YOU would think a man wanting to sell, bargaining, and then selling to a man wanting to buy, is:

1. not democratic
2. morally reprehensible
3. socially irresponsible
4. dynamically dysfunctional

and

5. not reasonable


it is diametrically opposite of what you represent in your postings:

1.TOWERemocracy means agreeing, and accepting diversity, whereas YOU advocate one method, one system fits all, full steam ahead.

2.TOWER: Force supercedes voluntary participation.

3. TOWER: Equality of opportunity should be overshadowed by central planning with favored/chosen participants.

4.TOWER: Work towards maintaining control as opposed to creating wealth.

5.TOWER: Your way or the highway.

You have not concept of democracy.

Parsley

[Fransisco]

Well said Parsley.

Let me sum it up by saying that a voluntary marketplace respects and honours everyones rights.