Spring Crop Choices in the UK

[grassfarmer]

No, what i'm saying is that comparing theoretical returns from grain production in a country half way around the world with a totally different land base, production costs and growing systems and using that to attack the cwb is juvenile nonsense.
It is all theoretical anyway - do you think they don't get poor crops, wet harvests, crop failures, no harvests there??

[agstar77]

In other words CL, show me the money !!Maltsters have not been willing to pay enough. Growers are willing to do whatever it takes if the returns are there.

[FarmRanger]

You'd think that maltsters would be falling over themselves trying to build plants close to the cheap barley, wouldn't you?

I wonder what's stopping them?

[Lifer]

So I would understand from you grassfarmer. That learning or trying to understand what is happening in other countries isn't important.

I guess you would say "If it ain't happening in Canada it ain't happening".

[charliep]

Agstar77

Perhaps the maltsters are paying enough but the price signals aren't getting through to farmers. Maybe if they did (as in an open market like the UK), farmers would grow more malt barley. As flawed as the CashPlus program is, the situation will have improved in 2008/09 - there is a relationship between what the maltster pays and the farmer recieves. At some point, you will have to explain the 75 cent/bu hold back Vader has bragged about in previous threads.

[parsley]

agstar,

What about this:


Farmers had grain in the bins.
"Growers are willing to do whatever it takes if the returns are there."

Maltsters wanted to buy it.

Technically couldn't.

Maltsters IMPORTED their barley.

Where's the glitch?



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Yup.

ata(According to agstar).......drum roll

yup......
Walmart.

Parsley

[parsley]

Gleaned from the Barley Growers Convention:


2007 crop cereal harvest 1.66 Billion tonnes

World's largest crop ever

89 million tonnes more than 2006


Not enough.



Now do you suppose, grassfarmer, information like this gives Western Canadian farmers a little better inkling of what might be more profitable, what is happening in the world?

Or should we keep buying old Gestetner stock certificates from ads in the Western Producer? Especially the ink refill ones?

Parsley

[charliep]

Interesting article in this week's e-malt on the UK. Note that UK maltsters use the same amount of barley as the entire 2006/07 malt barley pool (page 50 of the annual report".

Quote - "UK: Maltsters to purchase 1.86 million tonnes of barley from 2008 harvest
UK maltsters are likely to purchase around 1.86 million tonnes of barley from the 2008 harvest according to the Maltsters Association of Great Britain (MAGB), Farmer’s Guardian reported February 19."

Also note from this presentation that world malt barley demand is growing by 500,000 tonnes per year.

[parsley]

Lakenheath, this isn't durum, it's winter feed wheat, but it's revealing.

Winter 1st FEED WHEAT
***ALL QUOTES IN BRITISH POUNDS***


Single Farm Payment 210
Projected Nov Price 145
Projected Yield/Hectare 10
Crop Output/Hectare 1450
Total Output/Hectare 1660
Seed 50
Ferilizer 130
Crop protection 160
Total Variable Cost/Hectare 340
Gross Margin/Hectare 1320





Winter @nd FEED WHEAT
***ALL QUOTES IN BRITISH POUNDS***


Single Farm Payment 210
Projected Nov Price 145
Projected Yield/Hectare 9
Crop Output/Hectare 1305
Total Output/Hectare 1515
Seed 50
Ferilizer 140
Crop protection 160
Total Variable Cost/Hectare 350
Gross Margin/Hectare 1165



FARMERS GET CHOICES

DA Farmers are stuck with a constipated institution that causes bad breathe and flat feet.


Parsley

[parsley]

Winter Group 1 Solstice/Malacca
***ALL QUOTES IN BRITISH POUNDS***


Single Farm Payment 210
Projected Nov Price 160
Projected Yield/Hectare 9.5
Crop Output/Hectare 1520
Total Output/Hectare 1730
Seed 50
Ferilizer 150
Crop protection 160
Total Variable Cost/Hectare 360
Gross Margin/Hectare 1370





Winter Group 2
***ALL QUOTES IN BRITISH POUNDS***


Single Farm Payment 210
Projected Nov Price 145
Projected Yield/Hectare 9.7
Crop Output/Hectare 1407
Total Output/Hectare 1617
Seed 50
Ferilizer 140
Crop protection 160
Total Variable Cost/Hectare 350
Gross Margin/Hectare 1267


Enlightening?

There is one Canadian institution that needs a thorough colonoscopy.

Parsley

[jensend]

i think it's zimbabwe that has 66,000% inflation rate. you might want to look at their cropping margins. i'll bet their awesome and only slightly less relevant. they have a ten million dollar note now (about $2 canadian) but i'll bet they have a high per centage of billionaires in their population.

[jensend]

sorry i misspoke. their inflation rate is now over 100,000% so their margins are probably still increasing. have a good day.

[parsley]

This -40 global warming freezing weather is making you a slight bit edgey.

Try salt peter.

Parsley

[jensend]

no if you want to bring up silly, incomplete, invalid comparisons i can give you even more to bitch about. never tried the salt peter and i doubt you had to hand out much, anyway but you should maybe replenish your meds. good luck.

[Lifer]

You have the ink refill kind? neat.