CWB supporters are NUTS!

[Fransisco]

And no one is saying cooperatives should be illegal.

[Fransisco]

Big centrally planned corporation taking advantage of us. Sounds like the CWB to me.

[SASKFARMER3]

Tower "We shouldn't be taking more than is fairly ours" What kind of crap is that. I am sorry for two many years I have waited for another 1978 -81 and your telling me that we should be happy with peanuts when the rest of the world is getting Real hard cash.
And this bit the elevator companies bought cheap in fall and filled up and are selling now. A large portion of farmers realized in fall that the Canadian Crop wasn't their and the ones that searched found out the US crop wasn't as big then it Dried out in Australia and finally froze in Argentina. HM but its Big bad grain companies. Why is Canola same on both sides of the Border and the US price for HRS is still $16.70 yet our beloved CWB has us at $14.30 for their own DPC contract. Yea the CWB plays fair. Keep us all broke.

[Fransisco]

Hey, if wheat is worth $20 and tower only wants to take $4 he should be perfectly free to do so. No one should stop him.

Unless of course he wants to take all the rest of us with him. In that case Houston we have a problem.

[silverback]

Fair????

What are you going to do tower, withdraw our grain from the market because the price is too high?

Wait until it goes down because the buyers paid some other country more?

That would be more fair to everyone would it?

[Fransisco]

No, no, no silverback an important question like what is fair has to be decided by "committee". You know by 'experts' or better yet 'elected' directors.

[Fransisco]

You can't have the great unwashed masses deciding things like this in a voluntary marketplace. That is just too darn democratic.

[tower]

there you go again, fransisco with the democracy of the marketplace, I saw a suggestion that large farmers should have more heavily weighted votes in a referendum on the cwb, is that the democracy that you support and believe in?

So let's see, aside from the people telling me what I'm saying, and the people that want a more democratic right than I have, ... a definition of fair. how about, a return that covers the costs of production and allows a decent life, on average, over time. fairness where the major grain handlers aren't syphoning off the subsidies forcing farmers to sell below the costs. fairness where three incomes aren't necessary to keep the farm in the family while providing thus subsidized cheap produce to the multinationals. fairness where the land doesn't suffer because we end up mining the farm to keep the other partners in agribusiness in dividends.

[Fransisco]

Tower there is no denying it there is nothing in the world more democratic than the free market.

As far as voting on the CWB goes, my first position is that nobody gets a vote on what I do with my grain. It's none of their business.

My second position is that if we are going to do it then lets treat it like a business, those who have a higher stake just like people who hold more shares in a company should get more say. So if you have more acreage or more tonnage I think you should get more say.

As far as your cost of production theory of fairness goes, cry me a river. The world doesn't owe you a living tower, you have to earn that.

If you are producing something that nobody wants at the price you think you need then either you have to pull up your socks and get more efficient or find something else to produce.

[SASKFARMER3]

tower all I want is the right to sell my crop to who ever I want at whatever time I want. I control my crop since its mine. Not sum flunky like Vader. Whats wrong with that. Simply let the ones out that want out and the rest of you can keep the CWB I will sign a paper that says I will stay out of your way if you do the same.
I just want Choice.