2008 Saskatchewan Crop Insurance

[tower]

chaffmeister, you say the argument is about SINGLE DESK, WELL YOU'RE WRONG.. MAYBE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS A TRADER IT'S ABOUT SINGLE DESK. MAYBE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE 14% THAT VOTED TO GET RID OF THE WHOLE DAMN THING IT'S ABOUT THE SINGLE DESK. and maybe for the 32% who voted to keep things as they are it's about single desk.

FINE, THE OTHER 54% AT LEAST WANT THE OPTION. from my point of view that means that we, well maybe not you, but we farmers, should do a study to determine if the board would be there as the option that 86% of farmers want, if the board loses it's buying power.

[chaffmeister]

interesting observations, Tower.

you say I'm wrong - that it's NOT about the single desk, then you say its about the single desk for everyone but the 54% that "want the option".?!

WANTING THE OPTION IS ALL ABOUT THE SINGLE DESK !!!



The CWB has "buying power"...?

[tower]

chaffmeister, no, wanting the option is not all about the single desk. some of wanting the option is just about placating the grain companies, and the vociferous 14% that are putting on the big pressure through organizations like the barley growers. I really wouldn't mind not having to put up with their short-sighted complaining so long as I still have the option of delivering to the board. And we have already given up quite a bit to satisfy the unsatisfiable minority. As Tom4CWB pointed out earlier in this thread, how valuable is our quota now.

[charliep]

I would encourage you to read the CWB producer surveys. The 2008 versions should be released within the next month.

The 2007 version can be found at:

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/farmers/surveys/producer/pdf/survey_full_062107.pdf

I will direct your eyes to pages 16 and 17. Will be very interesting how farmers answered this question in 2008.

[Burbert]

So, the CWB sells grain to cheap to the world. Multi-national grain companies will stop the cheap selling and pass along the profit to farmers. Railways will work harder and more effectively moving grain, if the free market reins, and pass along savings along to farmers. What a bunch of bull!
Our marketing system is just that, OUR SYSTEM, if you don't like it, get a job in the patch, or go farm elsewhere. Farmers will decide the fate of the CWB, its our system not owned/operated by the Harpsters, or his bird brained minion.
Politicos want to be re-elected time and time again, its about power and ego, they couldn't care less about the masses. They lean whichever way the wind blows, heck in AB we don't even vote anymore! Waste of time, after all time is money isn't it?

[charliep]

Should have put up the presentation versus the survey (again pages 15 to 17).

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/farmers/surveys/producer/pdf/survey_062107.pdf

When farmers are asked the black and white single desk versus open on barley, the response has been 50 % each way for a long time now (page 17). 56 % of Alberta farmers favored an open market for barley.

[chaffmeister]

Tower, bit by bit:

TOWER: “wanting the option is not all about the single desk”
CHAFF: It’s ALL about the single desk. Single desk MEANS no option. The “option” is only available without the single desk.

TOWER: “some of wanting the option is just about placating the grain companies”
CHAFF: The grain companies aren’t the ones pushing to get rid of the single desk. If the system was more efficient and more balanced even with the single desk, they’d be “placated”. Their argument is that the current system on malt barley doesn't work. (Its' true. It doesn't.)

TOWER: “I really wouldn't mind not having to put up with their short-sighted complaining so long as I still have the option of delivering to the board.”
CHAFF: Then why not support “choice” and use the CWB?

TOWER: “And we have already given up quite a bit to satisfy the unsatisfiable minority”
CHAFF: Using your numbers, 54% want the option (by definition this means no single desk), 14% want no CWB at all (no single desk here, either). How does that add up to a minority?

[TOM4CWB]

Chaffmeister,

I brought up the B series barley pool in Provost today.

The over $100/t that the CWB added to the pool... to make up the great return the CWB gets for feed barley.

I asked Earl and Ken where the CWB sold the barley... to get the $260/t port price.

Guess what... it was all premium sales... to Japan Saudi's etc.

At $160/t port price... when corn was close to $5/bu!

Backed off to Alberta... the CWB got about $112/t.

What a premium...

and I was told to G.D. sit down and shut up.

And the basis explanation on FPC... the CWB comparing themselves to themselves... WOW was that ever a revelation. The CWB STEALS between $4 and 5.50/bu from us over the past couple of months on the basis... and we should be happy with a negative basis.

No CWB Financials were available to the meeting.

Like a voice crying in the wilderness... I left after delivering a message to CHairman Ritter.

Change the CWB... Resign... or else I am forced to continue the Hunger Strike I started 12 years ago.

gOODALE dION AND eASTER NEED TO PASS THE gOV.'S LEGISLATION FOR POINT ONE.

wE MUST FIX THE BASIS ON THE FPC'S.

THE CWB MUST STOP DECIEVING EVERYONE IN P.R./RISKMANAGEMENT... AND SALES PERFORMANCE.

THE COMPARISONS WITH US AVERAGE SALES AND THE POOL RETURN ARE HOKEY POKUS... IN ANY EVENT OUR SYSTEM IS MORE THAN DISFUNCTIONAL... IT IS NOT FAIR, EQUATABLE, APPLIED EQUALLY ACROSS CANADA... LET ALONE THE EXEMPTOONS FOR SEED, MANUFACTURED FEED, ORGANICS... OR ANYTHING ELSE THE CWB DECIDES TO EXEMPT.

FREEDOM IS MORE THAN AN IDEA... IT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE PROVIDE IT FOR OUR NEXT GENERATION... NOT JUST GIVE IT LIP SERVICE.

GOD BLESS CANADA.

[tower]

chaffmeister, You still aren't interested in going to all the work of actually reading other peoples posts, Eh?

That's fine by me, but your POSTS DON"T MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE OF IT.

[skhadenuf]

Selecting variable price depends to a great degree on your yield coverage. For people that are in multiple year disaster areas and poor coverage bushel wise I wouldn't recommend variable price. Chances are slim you will be in yield loss therefore just put yourself at risk to pay increase premiums for nothing. As is the case this past year many people not in a claim because of P poor coverage yet because of the previous disasters had to sell off the combine for low prices compared to now and are now getting bills for increased premium because market average has gone up. On the other hand if you are in an area that has had the luck of good weather and therefore a good average yield then it's more attractive since at least here in sask. the standard prices are too low compared to what the world markets are suggesting.