Husky Ethanol Switching to Corn

[agstar77]

How stupid is the American Government you ask? They are carrying out a no-win war far from home. They have allowed the the derivative markets to bankrupt their economy. The U.S. dollar will soon be a fiat currency. If building ethanol plants is just about boosting ag returns , get a life. They have sunk 200 billion into the U.S. financial system to bail out their banks. Yeah they are smart allright. Read my lips ,when voters are starving or can't afford food because of the ethanol industry, what do you think they will do?

[TOM4CWB]

Agstar77,

When consumers need energy, they pay for it... and the price of energy is as much a political determination as anything else.OPEC, US pricing, all are political decisions.

SO

Why shouldn't folks pay us a fair price for our grain as well?

If the world wants a decent supply of grain... it should pay a fair price for it. NOT A CWB Created PRICE.

And to think you folks are in charge of marketing my grain Agstar77... it gives me the creeps.

[silverback]

I thought the role of the cwb and it's directors was to maximize returns for FARMERS!!! Not to get bent out of shape at the price the poor US consumer might have to pay!

What gd anti american drivel.

We finally have worldwide grain prices that can make western canadian farmers some money, and you and your brothers complain that the consumers now need our sympathy and protection. Then instead of being glad that grain supplies are being drawn down you spout off how inefficient the system is.

Have you been to a grocery store lately agstar? People are paying $4 -$5 for a loaf of specialty bread! And that shelf is empty. Right next to it are the $1.20 bags, and the shelf is full. What does that tell you? They will pay for it.

It is sickening reading how you seem to have no regard for the well being of any other farmer in this country other than those who welcome the government control of the system. When grain prices go up you complain they are getting too high, when they drop back down, you are happy because everyone else is just greedy and self centered. Then you mock them for being sad to see prices dropping. Unbelievable!

What happened to you to make you so bitter that you would rather see the farm community in the crapper than have it get ahead? Did you get picked on in school by some rich kid? Did daddy not leave you the farm like the neighbor down the road?

[agstar77]

Silverback,still believe in W. of M.D.?

[silverback]

Way to avoid hard questions.

Ever hear of the Kurds?

You probably think that was an appropriate way to do some crowd control - or somehow george bush's fault.

[agstar77]

Where do you think Sadam obtained the Gas? Giving weapons and tech to a fruitloop like Sadam was bound to lead to disaster. So how do you fix your mistake ,Bomb him. Eventually the U.S. will leave . Will Sadam's replacement be any better ,probably not. Whether the U.S. should or should not be in Iraq doesn't matter. the net result is the same ,the U.S. economy can't afford it. Are you telling me their current deficit is good?

[craig]

Agstar
Tell me what the voters will do. It would seem that all politicians are on the bio fuels bandwagon. Are you suggesting that they will destroy all the plants so that they will have a cheaper supply of corn for their pork and beef. We have huge energy prices but consumers still buy gas guzzling vehicles. I guess if the bio fuels market isn't right then we should also start attacking the meat industry as a terrible waste of grain. Lets all become vegetarians and ride bicyles.You quote all the dumb things this government has done and the money wasted yet when they do something that actually reduces their support levels to the ag sector and saves the government money you also claim that is stupid. For once American policy has been good for my bottom line.You can argue all you want but I'm planning to run with the cards we were dealt.

[northfarmer]

like i said earlier agstar.....why don't you and you collectivist borg friends get together with your islamofacist friends in the middle east and try you social economic engineering over there.....i will go hang out with my freedom fighting allies to the south(never mind the fact they are my biggest customers), they are not perfect, for sure, but they represent better my view better than your perspective.......and if you do not like the islamofacists, try Chavez or Castro, i am sure they would have you

[agstar77]

Let's all be good little preschoolers and call each other names. How to show your true character.

[charliep]

I am surprised someone hasn't mentioned energy balance.

I might start with the money balance on the recent Saudi feed barley business. Saudi paid (with subsidy) $440/tonne CIF. $130/tonne ocean freight. Fobbing Vancouver, CWB costs, rail, elevation, etc. - about $80/tonne. Net to farmer $230/tonne.

Energy balance. US imports oil from Saudi Arabia. US grows a corn crop. Import corn into southern Alberta for livestock. Export feed barley to Saudi Arabia. The complete circle.

[agstar77]

Yes CL you are right on. Look at the energy used to transport the Barley and the corn.

[northfarmer]

who called who names......you are so insecure agstar...quit your blubbering...

charliep, you make a good point....and it drives the homegrown biofuel energy source justification for the US, import less foregn energy, grow more at home, feed the byproduct feed/protien to the animals...sell the mid east the hallal beef...we get the value chain and the cwb/railway/boats/longhsoreman would not get their cut on the barley movement offshore...

i find it hard to beleive that there is any feed grain exported out the country when they should be shipping higher value meat protein....but....there is way more politics to the meat trade than the grain trade.....

and when it comes to barley, malt or feed, the only thing we should be exporting is malt and i am not talking malt barley....but we know the issue there!!!!