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    Phew,that was close

    Wouldn't have bothered posting but nobel prize winning economist paul krugman likes the
    idea,totto we are not in kansas anymore.

    The Former US Mint Director Behind The Controversial Law Explains Why A Platinum Coin
    Could Avoid A Major Crisis
    Joe Weisenthal | Jan. 8, 2013, 4:22 AM | 3,542 | 29

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    Science ChannelThe #MintTheCoin movement rolls on!
    Remember, there are a lot of people arguing that an alternative to the debt ceiling crisis is
    for the Treasury to create a $1 trillion dollar coin made out of platinum, and then ship it to
    the Treasury's bank account at the Fed.
    Yesterday Paul Krugman came out in favor of this, while on the other hand, a US
    Congressman came out in opposition to it.
    Last night we got an email from Phillip Diehl, a former Mint director, who also helped craft
    the legislation allowing coin minting (he also sent it to Cullen Roche).
    Here's his full email, in which he notes that A) Yes it's legal, and B) it would have no adverse
    economic effects.
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    I'm the former Mint director and Treasury chief of staff who, with Rep. Mike Castle, wrote the
    platinum coin law and produced the coin authorized by the law. Therefore, I'm in a unique
    position to address some confusion I've seen in the media about the $1 trillion platinum coin
    proposal.
    * In minting the platinum coin, the Treasury Secretary would be exercising authority which
    Congress has granted routinely for more than 220 years. The Secretary's authority is derived
    from an Act of Congress (in fact, a GOP Congress) under power expressly granted to
    Congress in the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8).
    * What is unusual about the law (Sec. 5112 of title 31, United States Code) is that it gives the
    Secretary complete discretion regarding all specifications of the coin, including
    denominations.
    * Moreover, the accounting treatment of the coin is identical to the treatment of all other
    coins. The Mint strikes the coin, ships it to the Fed, books $1 trillion, and transfers $1 trillion
    to the treasury's general fund where it is available to finance government operations just like
    with proceeds of bond sales or additional tax revenues. The same applies for a quarter
    dollar.
    * Once the debt limit is raised, the Fed ships the coin back to the Mint, the accounting
    treatment is reversed, and the coin is melted. The coin would never be "issued" or circulated
    and bonds would not be needed to back the coin.
    * There are no negative macroeconomic effects. This works just like additional tax revenue
    or borrowing under a higher debt limit. In fact, when the debt limit is raised, Treasury would
    sell more bonds, the $1 trillion dollars would be taken off the books, and the coin would be
    melted.
    * This does not raise the debt limit so it can't be characterized as circumventing
    congressional authority over the debt limit. Rather, it delays when the debt limit is reached.
    * This preserves congressional authority over the debt limit in a way that reliance on the 14th
    Amendment would not. It also avoids the protracted court battles the 14th Amendment
    option would entail and avoids another confrontation with the Roberts Court.
    * Any court challenge is likely to be quickly dismissed since (1) authority to mint the coin is
    firmly rooted in law that itself is grounded in the expressed constitutional powers of
    Congress, (2) Treasury has routinely exercised this authority since the birth of the republic,
    and (3) the accounting treatment of the coin is entirely routine.
    * Yes, this is an unintended consequence of the platinum coin bill, but how many other
    pieces of legislation have had unintended consequences? Most, I'd guess.
    Philip N. Diehl 35th Director United States Mint en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_N._Diehl
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    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mint-the-coin-former-mint-director-philip-
    diehl-explains-why-the-trillion-dollar-coin-law-would-work-2013-1#ixzz2HOUhPBrx

    #2
    Good to see the US is thinking clearly on
    how to REDUCE the debt. sheesh.

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      #3
      WTF? Nothing like changing the rules to impose your agenda and get around your inadequite political system.

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        #4
        They should have just used a bar napkin and wrought
        "i owe you a trillion",instead of going to all the hassle
        of minting a single coin.

        If i had to guess things are spinning out of control
        and the thousands of people/policy makers involved
        are starting to come to grips with the options in front
        of them.

        Krugman just shot a bullet over the heads of congress
        and nicely said "the only option is to print".

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          #5
          The only REAL option for the United States of America is to DEVALUE their currency NOW...initially say about to one third of its present value. That would get them back to where things should be.
          Further adjustments could be made as time goes on.

          Yes it would hurt but this living in a dream world that they manufactured and its uncertainty is hurting them also.

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            #6
            wilagro, yes your right.
            uk needs to follow suite

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              #7
              Do you realy think the forin govmts that hold that debt would go along with that idea.

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                #8
                Horse: Mexico de-valued their peso years ago and while it pissed off all of their major traders, it was accepted just like any other bankruptcy.

                Mexico was far better after for the drastic move but really they had gotten themselves into an unbearable situation.

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                  #9
                  Wilagro-havent you been bad mouthing gold for the
                  past decade or am i thinking of someone else?

                  Nice to see you finally coming to grips with things.

                  The silver lining in all this is the possibility of
                  sovereign default of 50% of the worlds economies
                  with out the world war,like what happened 70 years
                  ago,i hope.

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                    #10
                    CP;

                    We have had a war... that has cost $Trillions... and are
                    still fighting it.

                    This is unproductive waste that had to be resolved in a
                    manner that reduced violence and created stability in
                    civilization. I do NOT think the war is over yet... so just
                    as Japan will print money to recover from the 2011
                    earthquake... so the US will print money to overcome
                    the war on terror. Nations will not stop these
                    adjustments... just as after WW1 and 2... Korean,
                    Vietnam, Gulf War... we do not fall off a cliff for
                    fighting back.

                    Who wins?

                    Perspective is everything.

                    Cheers!

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                      #11
                      Total global credit market debt stands around 340%
                      world gdp,the largest peacetime accumulation ever.

                      Over the pasts hundreds of years wars come and to
                      victor goes the spoils.

                      My hope/thinking is that this time the worlds rich will
                      reign in the war drums of the governments and crazy
                      nationalist agendas and let the chips fall within the
                      economic realms.

                      Why?because they are now globally integrated and
                      rich and war doesn't serve anyones need.

                      The casualties will be economic and they are the
                      countries who sail into zones of insolvencies and can
                      no longer self fund.Like japan.

                      Its just wishful thinking and i am probably wrong.

                      What would a man do if a platoon of chinese soldiers
                      showed up at his doorstep,who hadn't seen a woman
                      in months?

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