rents etc.

[blackpowder]

Just watched a video by our fine
sponsor FCC. Gervais telling us how to
negotiate rents.
Negotiate!! HA! Here is my experience.
Meet landlord at requested time and
place. Sit at table with pre-drawn lease
and a pen. Told that's what everyone
else is doing and it's fair. Sign or
someone else will. Then have nice chat
about weather and the wonderful history
of farming lifestyle, and how wonderful
it is that land has appreciated %50 in 2
years.
Not arguing with the facts of supply
and demand but;
Does anyone on here get to
'negotiate'??
Also, Is it just me or do the
'experts' at FCC and Alberta gag sound
down right silly sometimes. Coffee row
farmers can sure quote Merle Good.
Anyway, have a nice day

[bucket]

blackpowder

Do you also find there is another guy waiting to sign the lease but he doesn't have a name?

Everyone knows my landlords but my landlords never know who the other guy is.

Most likely its your "neighbor". I use that term loosely lately. Actually don't use that word with people I trust.

[blackpowder]

In this district the neighbors are named
and known. Numerous and horny.

[ajl]

When there is money around there are no
neighbors only competitors. Repeat after
me: competitors.

[SASKFARMER3]

Again I ask the question why am I and my two
neighbors who own billion dollar companies sitting
back. It's easy when the shit hits the fan don't cry,
buy!

[blackpowder]

I believe the shits already hitting the fan for margins
next year. But I do not believe land sale values are at
any risk of falling by more than %10 in the
foreseeable future. Not in AB. at least. No way.
Now, if they went to $5000 / a.c. , I could quit and
pay off some debt, and live off rent!
And turn off all the educated agsperts.

[Kathy]

http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-michigan-pig-
ban-will-eliminate-all-heritage-breeds-destroy-
thousands-of-small-scale-farms/

http://bakersgreenacres.com/

Some of you might find this of interest too. Small
farms being forced to destroy their heritage breed
pigs, as state says they are feral.

[bucket]

ajl

Yep its those competitors that pay more, end up broke so that the rest of us pick up the tab.

Remember the farm debt review, plenty of guys had their debts written down. Now they are bidding up land prices and rents, **** of the walk guys that will do the same thing again. And so will their sons. Never paid back what they owed and never will, meanwhile guys that did the honorable thing and worked their asses off are getting told to pay more knowing its not worth it.

I have watched landlords get the big money only to find new tenants more often because they lost half a years rent.

Mighty neighborly!

[Horse]

Lots of talk but no meat and potatoes. Just what is a fair rent?
Cash, crop share? Do you go cheap on cash and hope they like you or do you go an percentage.
Who put the rent where it is the rentor or the rentee?

[ajl]

I have done some reading about life during
the depression. The comment was made that
life was not too bad so long as everybody
was broke. As soon as things started to
improve and some had money then turf
protection became job one and life became
unbearable.

[farmaholic]

So as long as poverty was the common
denominator everyone got along but as soon
as someone got ahead things went bad? Did
a socialist write this book? Just kidding
and couldn't resist.

[blackpowder]

Horse; in my opinion 'fair' can be
undefinable. Many factors affect
different arrangements making them fair
or unfair.
Your individual fixed costs, risks
etc.
Are you the landowner? You have your
own 'risk' as you see it.
Moderate cash rent in a bad year is
still expensive. Crop share in '11-'12
also expensive.
In my area, land becomes available
infrequently and only once.
Purely supply and demand I suppose.
You want #s? Area specific, but here
goes; $90 or %25 of gross. (%=$110 last
year) Some are bins extra. Some
requiring % of C.I.
Personally, 'fair' now just refers to
easy to get along with, and maintaining
communication and honoring contracts.
Basically, trust.

[DogPatch]

sure....... on those years where the landlord get 25% of gross and its $90, then they start bad mouthing you all over the countryside when 25% becomes 1/2 of 90 or less if you've had drought, or the commodity price goes down. Hate renting because of greedy landlords...

[Daylate]

I realize were all venting. But what is the solution, if
we hate making landlords rich and land prices are
too high, do we just let somebody else roll in and
take over, knowing we may never see it again. I
dontlike the overpriced land myself but if we want
tobuild our equity for the future or next generation,
land is probably the most sustainable way to do it.
And i understand that buying land now might mean
temporarily decreasi.g equity with a correction
down in land prices. But if you want to go to that
next step in 15 yrs or so, i say if its good land and
fits in then find a way to buy it cause you probably
wont regret it down the road when your throwing
your chips in for one reason or another.
Just an opinion from a guy that has no skin in your
business just mine, lol, good luck with the decisions

[Daylate]

I realize were all venting. But what is the solution, if
we hate making landlords rich and land prices are
too high, do we just let somebody else roll in and
take over, knowing we may never see it again. I
dontlike the overpriced land myself but if we want
tobuild our equity for the future or next generation,
land is probably the most sustainable way to do it.
And i understand that buying land now might mean
temporarily decreasi.g equity with a correction
down in land prices. But if you want to go to that
next step in 15 yrs or so, i say if its good land and
fits in then find a way to buy it cause you probably
wont regret it down the road when your throwing
your chips in for one reason or another.
Just an opinion from a guy that has no skin in your
business just mine, lol, good luck with the decisions