Will the Attawapiskat audit wake up the Media Party?

[freewheat]

15444, Sure you kind of crossed the line
there, but you are entitled to speak
your mind. A word of warning, in todays
age, be careful what you say on an
internet forum. Amazingly, I have had
phone calls from police over a comment I
made on an internet forum. Totally
ridiculous.

I do not agree with the others who got
all defensive, I believe you were not
calling for genocide, but showing what
could have very well happened during the
original settlement of this country. Had
the settlement of this country taken
place a few years earlier, it would have
been a different outcome. I think the
indians should be grateful this never
happened, I think we all should.

But the indian act needs to be scrapped,
it is not working. Indians need to be
citizens of this nation, contributing
citizens. I agree they are, at least up
north and on the prairies a lazy bunch
generally, and no not all. The treaties
they are fighting to keep made them this
way.

One more thing though. They always speak
of their proud and great culture. I have
read several explorer books about what
they came across when they crossed the
prairies. They found a wild, starving,
and desperate bunch of inidans. There
was no proud culture among natives on
the prairies, it was death, war, and
mayhem. I am most upset our history
books have been re -written to make it
look as though they were a proud and
dignified culture. That is sure not what
Palliser found on his expedition. He
saved many natives by sharing his
provisions with them. They were in a
constant state of near starvation,
wandering aimlessly.

We need to kill the indian act, get
these folks working, get them some pride
in ownership, dignity, and show them
they can contribute, not be a drain.

I had a native crew tin my barn. The
business owner was embarrassed by his
kin. He worked hard, did an excellent
job, and went to Hawaii for a holiday!
Seemed so funny to me. An indian going
to Hawaii! lol I was so tickled by this,
and I will get him again. He had pride,
he had money, he has a business with no
end of work. We need more like him. What
a great guy to work with!

[15444]

Boarderbloke,

I stand by the statement. I am not looking for somebody to come out in support of my comments, I am not that egotistical.

But if your thinking that major changes can be made in regards to the status of Indians, without dramatic consequences, you must live in the land of rainbows and sunshine.

You think others agree with me in an attempt at appeasement? Then you obviously must surround yourself with very meek and mild people. I know of many others locally that I have talked to regarding this issue that recommend much more immediate, dramatic tactics. But if they don't feel comfortable with the people they are talking to, they won't reveal their true feelings.

I can only guess you live in isolation from the daily BS that is shoveled around by these people. From my conversations with Indians over the years(I live near many reserves)I know for a fact that 'budgeting' and 'accountability' are not in their vocabulary.

Freewheat, I don't live in fear from police inquiries into my thoughts on the state. For them to act to suppress my freedom to state my mind, would be a declaration of war to me and I have no problem with going to war with the state. Police are living, breathing people and very rarely do they wish to provoke others. They can try to poke and prod over the phone, but that's as far as it goes. I know quite a few cops, and their ultimate hope each day is to survive and get home to their families at the end of the day. One sargent for a local community told be it's unreal how much crap is forwarded their way from up top to deal with on a local level. Majority of it gets stuffed away because they know they have to live in the community they serve in. They don't want to be watching their back at every turn.

[Burbert]

WHAT A BUNCH OF IGNORANT RED NECK,
FRAMING HONKIES, yappin a usual bout
something that they have absolutely no
knowledge of whatsoever. This is
exactly why Comedian framing is such a
low life, scum sucking occupation,
cousin of attitudes like this.
It was the Indians that kept this
country Comedian from falling into an
abyss, wavin an eagle feather, remember
the almighty Meech Lake accordian that
Bulroney was playin, while sucking up ta
the Frencheese????? The world was gonna
end then too, except for the good work
of a native Senator..... We owe our
native population a lot.
F'k Harper and each and every one of his
minions!!!!!!!!!!!

[Oliver88]

IMO there will always be a problem until the
Indian Act is scrapped. These people need to
have private land/house ownership.....else we will
see more of the same. Throwing billions more $
at the problem won't make a difference.....the
chiefs and friends will continue to scam the
common folk.

[sddickson]

Most of our first nations people are good, proud and respectable Canadians.
The whole problem is there are always a few bad apples in every ethnic group, making it bad for everyone else in that particular group.
The problem is pure and simple ... Government must bypass these band councils and get the money directly into the hands of the people.
Let the first nations people decide with their own pocket books/votes as to what these chiefs and band councils are worth within their own communities.

[ASRG]

As long as the grass grows and the rivers flow....? That was the deal.

[farmaholic]

I am glad the government exposed the
corruption though. The Band Leaders are
victimizing their own people. Tonight I
heard the hunger striker may not meet with
government. Ashamed are we????

[blackpowder]

Oh boy here goes:
Civil wars with a conclusion have a
resolving outcome. Perhaps 15444 was
being figurative?
At any rate, I believe our method of
creating "distinct societies" within an
undivided nation counterproductive. In
Abe Lincolns words "a house divided
against itself cannot stand". A
conclusion resulted by 1865.
Why can't there be one identity;
Canadian? Our desire to be moderate in
less moderate times, has led us to an
untenable situation today.
A relatively painless solution would
be to overhaul the transfer payment
system to stop subsidizing Quebec's
right to be a spoiled child.
I would also deed the First Nations
peoples' land to them. Give all natives
title to their property as individuals,
and burn all the treaties. Making them
equal Canadians.
Equal to over time, manage their own
assets as they see fit. We already have
corrupt fiefdoms, they might as well be
subject to the same laws as the rest of
us.
Any one else have a better idea??

[bucket]

The best native is one that is working, usually off the reserve, on his or her own merits. You will find they enjoy life as part as society like the rest of us.

And if you think people on this forum have red neck opinions about natives - meet a native integrated into society and ask his opinions about reserve indians. Trust me - our opinions are mild.

We did natives a real disservice putting them on reserves. If they had been integrated into society the way the immigrants like the Ukranians and germans did, society as a whole would be better off.

The ukranians and germans never lost their culture, they shared it with Canadians as a gift, not something to be blackmailed with.

[tipsy]

gustgd.. obviously you have some thoughts and ideas on this dicussion care to share??? other than just slagging...

[DogPatch]

Whats going to happen to our welfare system now that they are going to give First Nations status to the 600,000 Metis in Canada. Now its going to be a financial windfall for everyone, except those tax payers that are going to have to pay for all the benefits.

[bucket]

The metis thing - just another french **** up. Pun intended.