Obama and guns in the usa.

[ado089]

If by red neck you mean teaching responsible gun use at a young age from an experienced adult of authority. Why don't you throw up some poverty rates, education levels, or let's try this one for the new age pinkos out there, children of single mothers. It does no one any service to ever simplify a problem as complex as social ills.

[newguy]

Simplify??This kind of thinking took generations to evolve and will take generations to change.Kind of like tring to change the thinking of people in the middle east to the north american ways. Will take a long time.

[ado089]

First of all why do we need to change middle east people to our way? They just need to stop being the way they are now. As far as the US and their problems, it took about one and a half generations to eff things up. You can look a more to expansion of gangs and subsequent violence starting in the 60's and maturing in the 80's.

[newguy]

Do not think the machinery dealer givingaway guns or the family buying a 10 year old a gun at Walmart had anything to do with guns. Just seen a picture posted of a guy with a machine gun strapped on his back leagally in a JC pennys checking out his purchaces. Did not look like a gang member. Was a Red neck making a statement. Just like the lady said on CNN a 50 round a second is not an assult weapon..Do not think she was a gang member..

[ado089]

Did your picture show these people pointing their guns at another human being and pulling the trigger? I hate to break it to you but a gun is no more harmful than a paper weight until those two things happen.

[tman]

Call me crazy, I know, but I wouldn't be spending any length of time in the vicinity of someone with a machine gun strapped to their back.

Just wait til that guy has a bad day. I mean what if JC Penny didn't have the right shirt in his size.

Now, a bazooka on the other hand...

[oneoff]

Its almost as though some posters have never met a Yankee; never read or understood American history; watched a Hollywood movie or travelled and visited with any of those people supposedly horribly different than our "accepted Canadian standards".

I've got news for you. Therir civiliization has been successful; they are no less human than any other nationality; and they have their own culture whih we need to respect.

It is beyond arrogant to expect or demand your changes.
Just like posters only LISTEN TO WHAT CONFIRMS WHAT THEY ALREADY KNOW; an American is no different.

[oneoff]

"They have a dis-functional and corrupt system."

I have followed several examples of exactly the same symptoms; in Canada and a lot closer to home.
Those who make the above judgement in the above quote; are often not as outspoken about CWB deficiencies; the third word tactics of the third level of local governments in Canada; and actual support for developments which might provide constructive progress towards lessening "monopoly" control of our communication, input supply and support requirements as Canadian farmers.
But as a person once said "Talk about missing the point". At home the status quo is supported (always when it is personally beneficial); the hard dirty problems are swet under the rug; and people feel free to sanctimoniously criticize the way the rest of the world handles their problems.

Mind our own business first; and clean up our own problems before setting us up as the shining example.

[freewheat]

Newguy, I got my first gun for christmas
when I was, (gasp) 8 years old. That did
not mean I was allowed to touch it
without supervision, and in later years
asking if I could go gopher hunting. It
taught me responsibility; My dad was a
responsible man. We are not american.
Where on earth did we get "that
mentality"?

There is nothing wrong with having,
loving, and using guns, is there? And if
one is going to use a gun, does it not
make sense to teach them early on? I
have walked in the bush hunting moose
with various types. The types I do not
like hunting with, are recent gun
buyers/new hunters. They have no concept
of where the end of their barrel is. But
those who were raised with guns, are
extremely careful. The gun is an
extension of their body if you like.
They know at ALL TIMES, where the end of
the barrel is, and often walk around
without a shell in the chamber. The
neophytes go walking about with their
rifles cocked, finger on the trigger.

Nothing wrong with youngsters having
guns. I plan to get my boy a .22 next
year. He will be 9.

[samhill]

tman - I'm curious as to why you think the wrong shirt
size at JC Penny might cause an angry reaction.

[BTO_farmall]

******s Pullin Triggers, Who Cares, Let em', Easier on The Tax Payer. Me, Ya Know I'm Always Strapped, Ya ain't Gotta Check, SAFETY ALWAYS OFF!!!!!!!!! Redneck Till The Day I Die, And Long Live em'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[newguy]

Freewheat.. do not know a Walmart that sells rifles in Canada. Or a machinery dealer that advertises a free gun when you buy a combine?? It is very easy to see the thinking towards guns in the states is differant than the average Canadian.

[ASRG]

I view a gun as nothing more than another tool that I need at times. If I have to put an animal down I sure don't intend to club it to death!
I don't hunt or enjoy it. I keep the guns I have locked up in a gun cabinet unless I'm using it. I have no problem with registering the guns I have.
The fact is some people shouldn't be allowed to have a gun....just like some shouldn't be allowed to drive!

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff. After all your posts you have basically said nothing about the issue of gun violence in the US. I agree that Canada has lots of corruption at various levels of government and within business. You only have to look at what is coming to light in Quebec and also in Toronto in regards to organized crime and the construction industry. Canadians should not be overly smug and proud as we have lots to fix in this country too. And I agree the US has been very successful in some ways. However they have also have a history of describing themselves as the greatest nation on earth. While they may be the most powerfull country economically or militarily that does not equal the greatest in my opinion.

It is pretty much a given that of course everyone has their biases and reinforces their own point of view with supporting facts. There is not much need to point that out, as most adults understand this. However if your going to engage in discussing issues of the day, in which case the issue is guns in the US, then it would be more interesting if you actually discussed the issue by presenting some arguments other than commenting that some posters are biased or that Canadian shouldn't have opinions about US problems.

I will give you several reasons why this is a problem that should concern Canadians. Since we are close neighbors with the US many of their policies impact our country directly. Much of our popular "culture" is from the US and has an impact on our society. Celebrating or glamorizing gun violence through movies, music, and video games undoubtledly has some impact on the minds of young people here in Canada. Some Canadians have a very American view of guns and think our gun laws are too restrictive.

I would like to know whether you think American gun laws are good or bad? What about Canadian gun laws? Would be better of with more restrictive gun laws or less restrictive gun laws? Do you think we should be concerned about the American cultural view of violence?

[oneoff]

The American right (and many think their duty) to bear arms is a part of the foundations of their country. Those that possess "guns" may have several present or future uses in mind. (eg. recreational, hunting; utilitarian; personal protection and defence of country and personal freedom).
The right to acquire even more guns will not be changed in the USA (in my opinion) and even if it were; there are such stores of every imaginable weapon and ammunition in that country; that the present supply will be adequate for some lifetimes.

To attempt to regulate or restrict their possession has only contributed to stocking up and hoarding an even larger arsenel. From the action and interest at WalMart gun departments; I would suggest that there is only an even greater current interest in firearm aquisition.

Are baseball bats, knives, pipe wrenches and any articles that can be held in one's hands to be prohibited in due time; because of the possibility of improper use.

And what about the electronic devices such as lasers; high voltage contraptions and various aerosols and sprays that might be used as a part of violent acts.

There are necessary and legitimate uses for all these items. To take away anyone's Constitutional right to possess every gun they ever saw in their lives will cause more deaths than if they/we rely on responsible use of the tools mankind has developed over the years.

Give up the crusade. Guns are an integal part of an average United States citizens' life. And they might very well ask what business any Canadian has to attempt to interfere with their lives.

Stripping away someone else rights is a lot like attempting to bring everyone down to a common level. There may very well be some personal liberties that gun control activists could have imposed upon themselves.