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[AllisWD45]

Don't get to excited about Eric . He is an old man
who no longer makes his income from farming but
the little brown envelope that comes every month.
He will be the one to shut off the lights on the CWB
issue even after the crazy eight have totally quit
living in the past.
People like this are locked in the past and have no
idea what you people face in today's farming world.
The belief that we raise 6 kids on a half section and
milk 6 cows and feed 6 pigs etc,etc. That world no
longer exists but that is the world the CWB
philosophy served. To them marketing is a dirty
dirty word. Before the likes of Burbot shits all over
me i would just like to say thats just the way the
world is now. Either deal with it by facing it head on
or move to the sidelines where you belong. It has
been said that the only sure thing is that things are
always changing

[hobbyfrmr]

He wrote 3 articles or letters to editor, and not one
of them provided a solution or an attempt to work
toward the future.
Tom4 quite easily provided steps to help with
some facts how to make deliveries in these"new"
times.
Who, really, deserves the respect?

[TOM4CWB]

C.P.

Did you see this?

"Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of
mistaken identity
Torrance police say the man was driving a pickup
resembling the fugitive's. The incident happened just
after the LAPD fired on women delivering newspapers
nearby.

By Robert Faturechi and Matt Stevens, Los Angeles
Times
February 9, 2013, 8:50 p.m.

David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing
before work Thursday morning when police flagged
him down. They asked who he was and where he was
headed, then sent him on his way.

Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police
cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened
fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.

His pickup, police later explained, matched the
description of the one belonging to Christopher Jordan
Dorner — the ex-cop who has evaded authorities after
allegedly killing three and wounding two more. But the
pickups were different makes and colors. And Perdue
looks nothing like Dorner: He's several inches shorter
and about a hundred pounds lighter. And Perdue is
white; Dorner is black.

"I don't want to use the word buffoonery but it really is
unbridled police lawlessness," said Robert Sheahen,
Perdue's attorney. "These people need training and
they need restraint."

The incident involving Perdue was the second time
police looking for the fugitive former LAPD officer
opened fire on someone else. The shootings have
raised concerns that the fear Dorner has instilled has
added another layer of danger.

"Nobody trains police officers to look for one of their
own," said Maria Haberfeld, a police training professor
at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "I
wouldn't want to be in their shoes and I don't think
anybody else would."

Torrance police said the officers who slammed into
Perdue were responding to shots fired moments earlier
in a nearby area where LAPD officers were standing
guard outside the home of someone targeted in an
online manifesto that authorities have attributed to
Dorner.

In the first incident, LAPD officers opened fire on
another pickup they feared was being driven by
Dorner. The mother and daughter inside the truck
were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers. The
older woman was shot twice in the back and the other
was wounded by broken glass.

In Perdue's case, his attorney said he wasn't struck by
bullets or glass but was injured in the car wreck,
suffering a concussion and an injury to his shoulder.
The LAX baggage handler hasn't been able to work
since, and his car is totaled, Sheahen said.

"When Torrance issues this ridiculous statement saying
he wasn't injured, all they mean is he wasn't killed," his
attorney said, referring to a press release reporting "no
visible injuries" to Perdue.

A department spokesman said Saturday that the
shooting is still under investigation. In a statement to
The Times, the department said: "The circumstances of
the incident known to the responding officers would
have led a reasonable officer under normal
circumstances — and these were far from normal
circumstances — to believe that fellow officers were
being shot at and that the vehicle traveling toward
them posed a serious risk.

"In the split seconds available to them," the statement
continued, "action was appropriate to intervene and
stop the actions of the driver of that vehicle."

According to the police department, Perdue's car was
headed directly for one of their patrol vehicles and
appeared not to be yielding. When the vehicles
collided, Perdue's air bag went off, blocking the view
of the driver, and one officer fired three rounds.

The Torrance police chief apologized to Perdue and
offered him a rental car and payment for his medical
expenses, the statement said.

Similarly, an LAPD spokesman said Saturday that Chief
Charlie Beck will provide a new truck to the two women
injured by officers in pursuit of Dorner.

Cmdr. Andrew Smith said he and Beck met separately
with the two women Saturday. The truck will be
purchased using money from donors, Smith said.

The action does not necessarily preclude a lawsuit
from the women or a settlement. The women's
attorney, Glen T. Jonas, said, "The family appreciates
that Chief Beck apologized on behalf of the LAPD."

The search for Dorner has spanned the region, with
authorities hoping they had tracked Dorner down in
Big Bear only for the trail to go cold there. His alleged
campaign to take revenge on those he blamed for his
dismissal from the LAPD has stoked fears among local
police, many of whom are involved in the search. The
sense of chaos has been amplified by police around
the state and beyond being forced to chase down
bogus leads and erroneous sightings.

Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney, said it's not
surprising when police make mistakes during
manhunts.

"They don't know where he is, and they're going to be
edgy and jumpy," she said. "Don't get in their way.
They're in a special state of consciousness right now,
and they're not used to being hunted."

Perdue's attorneys said their client was shot at without
warning.

"As you know, officers of the Torrance Police
Department attempted to kill Mr. Perdue" Thursday,
the attorneys wrote in a letter to the agency's chief.

robert.faturechi@latimes.com

matt.stevens@latimes.com

Times staff writer Richard Winton contributed to this
report."
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-torrance-
shooting-20130210,0,3955268.story

"Authorities on Sunday will offer a reward for
information leading to the capture of a former Los
Angeles Police Department officer wanted in the
killings of three people and the wounding of two
others.

According to a statement, the news conference will be
attended by law enforcement officials from Los
Angeles, Riverside and Irvine. Officials from the FBI
and U.S. marshal's office also will be there.

The reward will come a week after Christopher Jordan
Dorner's alleged killing spree began.

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck announced he
was reopening the investigation into the firing of
Dorner from the Police Department, the event that
apparently sparked his vengeful campaign.

Beck said he was reopening the investigation "not to
appease a murderer" but to assure the public his
department is fair and transparent. He said he wanted
to protect an "increasingly positive relationship with
the community" that the LAPD has developed over the
last few years.

"I am aware of the ghosts of the LAPD's past and one
of my biggest concerns is that they will be resurrected
by Dorner's allegations of racism within the
department," Beck said in a prepared statement.
"...Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address
Dorner's allegations regarding his termination of
employment."

DOCUMENT: Chief Beck's statement regarding
Dorner..."http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013
/02/dorner-manhunt-reward-to-be-offered.html

[cottonpicken]

Ya,pretty crazy stuff.

I'm wondering if this won't snowball and some of those l.a
gangs will decide to start shooting at da po-lease .

[TOM4CWB]

Police offer $1-million reward for Dorner’s arrest as
manhunt for ex-L.A. cop wanted in three killings
continues

Authorities are offering a $1 million reward for
information leading to the arrest of Christopher
Dorner, the former Los Angeles police officer
suspected in three killings who is the subject of a
manhunt in Southern California.

LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa announced the reward
at a news conference at LAPD headquarters Sunday.

“Hopefully the reward will motivate people that may be
involved with assisting him or might be reluctant to
talk to us to call us and to put an end to this,” said Los
Angeles police Sgt. Rudy Lopez.

Some 80 miles to the east, SWAT teams continued to
scour snow-covered mountains near where the 33-
year-old fugitive’s charred pickup truck was
discovered Thursday.

Camping gear was found along with weapons inside
the burned-out truck belonging to Christopher Dorner,
the former Los Angeles police officer suspected in
three killings who is the subject of a manhunt in
Southern California’s snow-covered mountains,
authorities said Sunday.

The Nissan pickup found Thursday in this ski resort
town was so charred that investigators couldn’t be
more specific about the nature of its contents, Lopez
said.

SWAT teams with air support and bloodhounds fanned
out for the fourth day to search for Dorner, who has
vowed revenge against several former LAPD colleagues
whom he blames for ending his career. The effort was
significantly scaled back as the weekend went on, with
25 officers and a single helicopter looking for clues in
the forest and going door-to-door at some 600 cabins
in the San Bernardino mountains, about 80 miles
northeast of downtown Los Angeles.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/10/camping-
gear-found-in-back-of-burnt-out-truck-belong-to-
ex-l-a-cop-wanted-in-three-killings/

[TOM4CWB]

C.P.

This is turning viral:

Comments like;

Support Growing For Former L.A. Officer Accused Of
Killing Spree

Dorner lost his job with the Los Angeles Police
Department in 2008. His manifesto vows revenge for
that; and, surprisingly, thousands of people actually
support him.

It’s hard to believe but there are those out there who
sympathize with the man targeting police officers.

One Facebook page is proclaiming Dorner for
president. “We propose electing a man who could no
longer sit idly by and watch as malicious tyrants abuse
the innocent.”

The description on “We Are All Chris Dorner” chillingly
says, “Yes, this is war.”

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/10/dorner-
morphing-into-an-anti-hero/comment-page-
1/#comments

WOW! what a mess...

[cottonpicken]

Place always seamed like a powder keg after watching
the rodney king riots.

Between you and me and the 12 other farmers that
might read this......

Americans i find in my travels are always the nicest to
talk to,even over canadians and every other ethnic
background,but black americans not so much,not
all,just stereotyping my experiences .

And if your a cop dealing with crap,day after day after
day,your bound to get a little ruff around the edges.

Which leads to a rescipe for disaster imo.

[TOM4CWB]

Dorner manhunt: conflicting testimony in ex-cop's
firing case
February 11, 2013 | 6:10 am

As the manhunt for the ex-cop wanted in the slayings
of three people enters its sixth day, Christopher Jordan
Dorner's firing has been the subject of debate within
and outside the LAPD.

An online manifesto that police attribute to Dorner
claims he was railroaded by the LAPD and unjustly
fired. His allegations have resonated among some in
the public and also some LAPD employees who have
criticized the department's disciplinary system, calling
it capricious and retaliatory toward those who try to
expose misconduct.

Seeking to address those concerns, LAPD Chief Charlie
Beck announced this weekend that he was reopening
the investigation into Dorner's disciplinary case. "It is
important to me that we have a department that is
seen as valuing fairness," Beck said.

TIMELINE: Manhunt for ex-LAPD officer

LAPD records show that Dorner's disciplinary panel
heard from several witnesses who testified that they
did not see the training officer kick the man. The panel
found that the man did not have injuries consistent
with having been kicked, nor was there evidence of
having been kicked on his clothes. A key witness in
Dorner's defense was the man's father, who testified
that his son told him he had been kicked by police.
The panel concluded that the father's testimony
"lacked credibility," finding that his son was too
mentally ill to give a reliable account.

The online manifesto rails against the LAPD officials
who took part in the review hearing and vows revenge.
Police allege Dorner killed his own attorney's daughter
and her fiance last weekend in Irvine.

"Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just
individual are over. Suppressing the truth will [lead] to
deadly consequences for you and your family," the
manifesto says.

Dorner's case revolved around a July 28, 2007, call
about a man causing a disturbance at the DoubleTree
Hotel in San Pedro. When Dorner and his training
officer showed up, they found Christopher Gettler. He
was uncooperative and threw a punch at one of the
officers, prompting Dorner's training officer, Teresa
Evans, to use an electric Taser weapon on him.
Nearly two weeks later, Dorner told a sergeant that
Evans had kicked Gettler once in the face and twice in
the left shoulder or nearby chest area. Afterward,
Dorner said, Evans told him not to include the kicks on
the arrest report.

An internal affairs investigation into the allegation
concluded the kicks never occurred. Investigators
subsequently decided that Dorner had fabricated his
account. He was charged with making false
accusations.

INTERACTIVE MAP: Searching for suspected shooter

At the December 2008 Board of Rights hearing,
Dorner's attorney, Randal Quan, conceded that his
client should have reported the kicks sooner but told
the board that Dorner ultimately did the right thing. He
called the case against Dorner "very, very ugly."

"This officer wasn't given a fair shake," Quan said,
according to transcripts of the board hearing. "In fact,
what's happening here is this officer is being made a
scapegoat."

At the hearing, Dorner stuck to his story. Evans, he
said, kicked Gettler once in the left side of his
collarbone lightly with her right boot as they struggled
to handcuff him. She kicked him once more forcefully
in the same area, Dorner testified, and then much
harder in the face, snapping Gettler's head back.
Dorner said he noticed fresh blood on Gettler's face.

PHOTOS: Manhunt for ex-LAPD officer

Dorner did not immediately report the kicks to a
sergeant, he said, because he was asked only what
force he had used, not what his partner had done. And
as a rookie who had already filed complaints against
fellow officers, he feared retaliation from within the
department, Dorner testified.

Gettler's father, Richard, testified that police eventually
brought his son home and that he noticed a slight
puffiness on his son's face. His son told him he had
been kicked by a police officer — once in the face and
twice in the chest, he said. Richard Gettler said he was
shocked but decided against calling police because the
injury was minor and his son could not explain what
prompted the officers to use force. Gettler said that his
son's mental illness prevented him from being a good
witness and that he was easily scared and would often
answer "yes" to everything.

Dorner's attorney, Quan, presented a brief video he
took of Christopher Gettler answering Quan's
questions at the attorney's office. On the video,
obtained by Fox 11 News, the younger Gettler agrees
when asked whether he was kicked by a police officer
and points to his left cheek, indicating that's where he
was struck. He says he was kicked once and that the
officer was female and "almost black" with dark hair.
He then corrects himself, saying she had light hair.

Evans is listed in department and court records as
white with blond hair.

At the disciplinary hearing, Christopher Gettler could
not give the current year and sometimes provided
seemingly random answers to questions. He said he
did not recall how he was hurt during the encounter
with the officers and thought they had used a club on
him.

Evans denied kicking Gettler. She had been placed on
desk duty for about seven months during the
department's investigation and prevented from earning
extra money outside the department.
Dorner, she said, was having problems readjusting to
police work after returning from a 13-month military
deployment overseas. He told her that family members
had noticed a change in him and that he would seek
help for it, she testified. On one occasion, he started
crying in their patrol car, she said.

On several evaluation forms, Evans rated Dorner as
"satisfactory" but indicated he needed to improve in
certain areas. At one point, she told him she would
give him an "unsatisfactory" rating unless he improved.
"He was upset," she said.

Records show that Dorner reported the kicks a day
after he received an evaluation in which Evans noted
that he needed to show improvement in three
categories, including the time it took to write reports,
officer safety and use of common sense and good
judgment.

Three witnesses, including two hotel employees and a
port police officer, testified that they did not see Evans
kick Gettler. The port police officer recalled telling
Dorner to fix his tie. But a photograph from the scene
showed that Dorner was not wearing a tie.

The board's three members — two LAPD captains and
a criminal defense attorney — unanimously ruled
against Dorner. They found that his claims lacked
credibility and that he was motivated in part by his fear
that his training officer would give him a poor
evaluation that could end his career.

To fire Dorner, the board had only to conclude that it
was more likely than not that he had made up his story
about the kick. From then on, it was up to Dorner to
prove that the board was wrong, a burden that Los
Angeles County Superior Court Judge David P. Yaffe
and a subsequent appeals court found he did not
meet.

According to court records reviewed by The Times,
when Yaffe examined the case in 2010 as part of an
appeal filed by Dorner, he said he was "uncertain
whether the training officer kicked the suspect or not."
Nevertheless, he upheld the department's decision to
fire Dorner.

What a MESS...