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    #37
    Bucket, because theft is against the
    law. Maybe just save a step and just
    steal someones' grain out of their bin.

    Wilagro, all i can say is sheesh. I mean
    really?

    Larry, I love the articles written for
    the uninformed to give them hope LOL.
    Almost like listening to an episode of
    Rutherford.

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      #38
      Sure, but he paid for the soybeans that he bought from the elevator.

      That's not theft.

      If the elevator never told him that they were RR soybeans, he was taking his chances that he could spray them with Roundup.

      I am not convinced that the patent on this should be perpetual.

      Besides if weeds can build resistance to chemicals naturally, then so could soybeans, right?

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        #39
        Monsantoe has a finkline, 1-800-Fu-kyer
        Framing neighbours. It's like
        Crimetoppers, pays a reward for f'n the
        neighbours, very ingenious. I understand
        that their phone recordin system is
        constantly jammed wit reward seekers,
        hence nobody, gets away wit nuttin when
        dealing with Monstantoe. They learned
        from the KGB, how to appeal to the seedier
        side of framing, eh!

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          #40
          Pretty much every bean in the US is RR.
          He knew or ought to have known.
          Ignorance is not a winnable legal
          position.

          They aren't perpetual, in 2914 its all
          over for Monsanto and this present
          trait.

          No matter how you argue it, intellectual
          property is protected from being used
          for free (stolen) and this applies to
          technology in seeds too.

          A question for you Bucket, why do you
          think you should be able to use
          technology developed and paid for and
          owned by someone else? As in growing RR
          seed and spraying it with roundup, and
          not paying for the use of that
          technology.

          And please don't say that Monsanto has
          enough money already.

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            #41
            Pretty much a waste of time and of course $ to fight
            Monsanto. However, I question "intellectual
            property" because they didn't invent or create the
            gene. The process to use it they may have, but at
            any rate they own that process. The rest of the
            process of isolating and growing out the seed is
            used in almost every modern item that we all
            purchase. So for how long do they own the process.
            Other's would have eventually and obviously have
            done it with different genes, innovations,
            microchips, whatever. I don't agree it is their's
            forever.

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              #42
              They don't own it forever. Its over in
              2014. you can do whatever you want with
              it at that point.

              They do however own the process within
              the seed to allow you to use roundup
              until then. And they will protect it
              like every other company. The gene,
              RT73, is registered in the 7 top canola
              exporting countries.

              Patents are in place to allow the
              inventor who came up with a unique, 'non
              obvious' and 'novel' idea sufficient
              time to recoup and have an advantage
              over all competitors preventing them
              from copying the idea and selling it as
              their own.

              Patents are 20 years in the US. There is
              some allowance when it comes to
              registration of especially things like
              sprays that extend the patent to include
              the years of testing for registration
              and safety. ie herbicides.

              Many examples exist of a unique process,
              device, whatever, that is utilized with
              another common process, device, seed, on
              and on.

              Patents occur in every aspect of our
              lives in products, services, software,
              business, advertising, EVERYTHING!

              But it continually and absolutely
              baffles me that farmers think the rules
              don't apply to them because the
              patentable idea is within a seed! You
              can try, but you are gonna lose in court
              cuz stealing is against the law.

              There are 3 ways in the real world to
              deal with patents:

              1. Steal it and be big enough to tie up
              the patent holder in court till they go
              broke and use it as your own.

              2. Make the patentable process
              ridiculously complex and expensive that
              it is self protecting - Liberty
              herbicide is a good example, also
              Lontrel.

              3. Pay the holder of the patent a
              licensing fee. ie the TUA.

              4. Either wait for the patent to expire,
              or create your own novel idea. You are
              free to use patentable material to
              create new ideas.

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                #43
                You work hard on behalf of "the company" w9 I
                hope they pay you well.
                I don't grow RR crops so I'll use cattle to illustrate
                this scenario as I see it. I have a strain of purebred
                cattle that are unique in the marketplace developed
                using my money and intellect. I haven't patented
                the line or claimed "intellectual property rights"
                over it although I know one breeder who does
                something along those lines.
                I sell bulls to other cattlemen and they are free to
                use them as they wish. If I operated the same way
                as Monsanto I would go after my second generation
                customer - the feedlot buying my customer's calves
                and demand that they pay me for using "my"
                genetics. At the same time if the bull I sold to my
                customer broke in with his neighbour's purebred
                herd of another breed and caused him financial
                duress for which he wanted compensated I would in
                no way be responsible for that.
                Bottom line - you can't have it both ways. You
                either take on all the responsibility for the genes
                that you created or you take on none.

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                  #44
                  grassfarmer

                  I agree. You buy RR canola or soybeans for the season. Then, if it volunteers its your problem as a weed its your problem, if it makes a crop it becomes monsanto's crop.

                  Monsanto wants the petent but not the responsibilty of cleaning up what isn't supposed to be there.

                  But if they were held accountable, I think the terminator gene would soon be introduced.

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                    #45
                    wd9

                    I think the problem is the patent should be off on canola already but monsanto has found a loophole to extend it. They really are doing nothing new, just insert the gene into a CDC unnamed variety, multiply it and call it new.

                    No different than the usual breeding techniques other than an extra step that has been paid for 1000's of times over.

                    Not to be argumentative, I have no problem paying a fee, I understand that.
                    But the first RR canola I bought was only 1.99 a lb plus the 15 dollar an acre TUA. Total cost of seed per acre was around 25 bucks. Now its running close to 3 times that.

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                      #46
                      WD, thanks for the explanation and info, I didn't know
                      what the expiry date was on M's patent. I have nothing
                      against patents and protection of property rights, it
                      makes innovation go.
                      But have you ever tried to copyright or patent your
                      own DNA. I've been told it's not possible.

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                        #47
                        Grassy,

                        If you expect people to respect your personal property
                        rights... while saying others can break the rule of law
                        and NOT respect the property rights of others. WHY?

                        END of Story. There is NO LAW saying farmers must
                        deal with or grow RR Canola... in fact many do NOT.

                        You want to be protected... but are not willing to
                        extend the same courtesy to others. WHY?

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                          #48
                          But TOM, I think the issue becomes when does Monsanto's responsibilty end?

                          If they want to own the crop because it is their technology, then do they also own the problem of volunteers 1,2,or even 5 years down the road?

                          As an example. If a farmer buys RR canola pays monsanto their fee, his right ends at the end of the growing season. He can not re use the seed. As a matter of fact, if the crop got hailed out and volunteers the following year the farmer is expected to pay monsanto a fee (is true). But if the crop has the odd volunteer in the following crops, its not monsanto's problem.

                          Do you see the double standard?

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