Farmlead.com organic feed oats

[hobbyfrmr]

6.25/bushel fob southwest MB.

Respectable bid IMO.

I do not have any feed oats at this time, but....how
would I play this out if I did?

Confirm bid online at farmlead.com.
I don't know the buyer, so I regard them as not a
big player in the organic market. New to me
buyer.
So, if farmlead can prove they have done the
qualifying credit check, or have this organic buyer
on the approved buyers list, and can show me
then I would sell my feed oats.
I am excited to learn about new markets for
organic grains. Even if its only feed grain, this bid
would leave me with $5.00/fob farm.
Not bad for feed oats.

[bucket]

Back in high school, mid eighties, we called guys like you "keeners".

Always on top of things.

Now I wish I would have been paying more attention. Good work.

[ProFarmer]

If that is the price for organic then GOOD oats should be worth more...

[nibs1]

If by "GOOD" oats you mean oats that was not sprayed,not fertilized,and came off land that was non GMO alfalfa breaking, then yes it should worth a lot more.

[wd9]

Hobby, i was asking a question on that
monsanto thread about replacing nutrients
in an organic system.

How do you replace P2O5, K20, and S
without taking it from another field?

[parsley]

Rotation.
Actually, wd, we plant a field down to sainfoin
and leave it until we decide to break it up again.
Sainfoin is a nitrogen-fixating forage. Livestock
love it. Bees love it. Wildlife loves it.

The sainfoin crop is often combined for seed at
the same time it is fertilizing the land. Neighbors
bale and buy the hay-straw. Alternately
neighbors bale the uncombined hay. Alternately,
neighbor's cattle graze the unhayed pasture OR
the hayed pasture.

In other words, while we are fertilizing a field with
sainfoin, to put back nutrients into the soil, for
each year of fertilization we regularly combine
ton sell the seed, PLUS sell the combined straw
and any slough hay from the field, PLUS receive
grazing income per head/day.

In other words, income flows in while fertilizing.

The deep sainfoin roots draw nutrients up to the
surface. The land is rejuvenated and thus
produces many years of successive cropping
once again.

That's one way to renew tired soil. You asked.
Certainly not the only way, but one way we
renew nutrients.

Intercropping is also a successful way to add
nutrients. Planting capucijner peas (nitrogen
plants), for example, into another crop, boosts
growth. Like sex, timing is key.

Rotation is also important. One crop can
enhance another crop's growth. Knowing which
crops to plant back to back is key.

On another note, I agree with your premise, wd,
that if you plant a Monsanto crop...a farmer must
legally pay for the patented seed . But as bucket
recognized, Monsanto must be also legally
responsible for their patented harm. Period.
Pars

[hobbyfrmr]

bucket,
this is a marketing forum. I try to provide some market information I have found. My farm is very small so I have to be "keen" or I will be out of business and not farming. Another habit I noticed, is, my organic colleagues almost always sell for 50 cents a bushel more than me. Somehow they also get the trucking paid in there as well!I can only relay the facts I have found.
The market stuff I find is organic prices. There are organic producers who read AV. They dont really contribute much because the post usually turns into some kind of fight!

[hobbyfrmr]

wd9 that is a good question. Why do you ask?

[wd9]

Hobby, i ask because i love to learn and
adopt methods to my own method of
farming. Back at the monsanto question
i've been unable to get grassy to explain
how he and brown's ranch claim they
magically 'generate' removed nutrients.
So far, just hocum.

So i'm asking you.

[wd9]

Parsely, "bringing up" is not replacing. Its mining. No
rotation that i am aware of can replace nutrients,
especially P K S.

N, yes, but generally enough for either its own crop, or
one crop every second year that is used for fixing, but
not harvesting. This is the only nutrient replacing i am
aware of as it is pulled from the nitrogen of the air.
And of course lightning, but that is hardly controlled by
the farmer.

Parsely, is there anywhere, anything written about this?

[parsley]

When you buy phosphorus, for example, does it
come from a mined source, or are you creating
imitation phosphorus in your lab in your shop?

[wd9]

Parsely, Can you put down P K S from a
mined source in organic farming?

Sure tough to get a straight answer!

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

It is not like the p2o5 k2o S2 is leaving the planet....

Just can't wait till Suzuki tells us we need to get fert
from recycled human body parts... that will bring a
whole new meaning to 'ashes to ashes' and 'dust to
dust'!
Could be happening over some of our farms now... you
never know what those airplanes flying overhead could
be spreading!

It is reasonable to remind you WD9... that there are
over 2000 year old farms that have very productive
soils!

Cheers!

[parsley]

My plants certainly do "mine" elements from the
soil, according to their need. They decide what
they need, and extract what they need. In our
part of the world, we call it growing.

You like to think of it as mining.

You have acknowledged that nitrogen is self-
manufactured through rotation. Would it be to
your liking to say that the air "mines" the
nitrogen from the sainfoin?

Your plants are machine-fed various elements in
amounts you approximate, which are mined from
some company's cache' in a different locale of
the world.

I will assume you also call this mining.

Nitrogen must also applied to your plants

In both cases, your plants and mine, plants
require nutrients. I let my plant do it themselves,
whereas you choose to do it for them.

In the organic system, the soil is naturally
replenished with nitrogen through rotation. Deep
nutrients such as selenim are drawn up and used
by the plant. I know my plant is smarter than me.

In depth testing university testing has been done
on the nurtitional content of crops, focusing on
specific elements, comparing both agronomic
systems, which was a stark comparative exercise
that made me realize plants are clever if they are
not encouraged to be fat lazy kids who eat only
junk food.

In your system, nitrogen is purchased and
applied, according to your recipe, and various
mined elements are also applied, depending
upon what the trend is, what you can afford and
what the weather allows.

I note that nitrogen and all of the elements will
still be available for me to purchase if I find our
trees are collapsing under their own weight, wild
oats will no longer grow, and alfalfa blooms when
it is one inch high.

And of course, I know I can always count on
your counsel if our soils begin to decline. I
assume the soils, of cultures who have farmed
for thousands of years, must have been revived
by an expert . Pars.

[parsley]

Bottom line: You pick your method of farming and
I'll pick mine. You be responsible for repairing
your messes and I'll repair mine. I have no urge
to fight with your choices unless it hurts me.

I understand why claiming organic farmers are
mining the soil is a goal of the companies who
sell inputs. Why wouldn't it be. Stockpile all the
potash from K1 at Esterhazy on your farm if you
have reoccurring depletion nightmares.

File your argument, Wd. so I can rewatch last
nIght' s UFC. Pars.