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    #13
    Don't venture near a "black hole". It is the ultimate squeeze play that you seem to be pondering.

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      #14
      one of the biggest growers around these
      parts 12 to 15 thousand tonne wheat and
      about 4 to 6000 tonne canola didnt until
      this harvest have mobile or even
      computer, relied on his wife to read
      daily faxes and his bank which he is
      always in credit to advise him on the
      over the counter swaps etc.
      massive on farm storage and cash sales
      but he finally got a "new fangled mobile
      phone" this year
      suprisingly only in his mid fifties
      pooled grain "pools there for the
      kiddies to swim in dad was against them
      so was grandpa" lol hes a real
      chareacter

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        #15
        I am a strong believer in self
        sufficiency and bucking the techno trend
        as many on here know. How many of us
        anymore could feed ourselves when things
        go south? I figure a precious few. I am
        learning "new" old skills like
        gardening, hog raising, milk production,
        right along with the new technologies
        that do nothing to grow, store, and live
        off of my own food.

        I love this bucking the trend! I am 36
        years old, and I am getting a milking
        goat (maybe two) soon, to save us about
        3000 bucks a year in milk and cheese,
        and give us 100 pounds of great meat.
        All at a cost of about 20 cents a day
        for feed. And the cost of not going away
        and spending two weeks in Oahu or las
        Vegas. For shame, my kids will have a
        goat, chickens, pigs, horses, sheep, and
        a garden to learn to take care of, while
        their peers, yes even on most farms
        today, sit there like zombies staring at
        the latest gadget.

        Yup, I'm bucking the trend and loving
        it. Loving my 2007 flip phone too, my
        1993 tractor that is steered with my
        arms, and my wrenches.

        LOL! Loving it!!!! Loving life. The more
        I go "backwards", the more I realize I
        have been missing in life. Thankfully my
        wife is awesome and "gets it".

        The one thing I am missing out on, is I
        have no neighbors, no friends who "get
        it". They are after more things.
        Electronic schtuff that makes you lazy
        and non-self sufficient. You can't raise
        a hog with a blinking I phone or
        whatever they are called nowadays. When
        money is worthless, they will have no
        clue how to survive. I strive to not be
        this way... I will not do this to my
        family. I do wish I had a nearby
        neighbor who a guy could run ideas by.
        But my neighbors do not have the 5
        minutes a day to feed and water the
        hens. They do have time to curl, to
        chase land all over the country, but no
        time to grow a bit of food. Sucks to be
        them, IMO.

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          #16
          freewheat your wealthier than most in non
          monetary terms good onya cobber

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            #17
            I often wonder what my Grandpa would think of my life?....would he be amazed or sadened?. We buy most of the food that comes in the house with an ever shrinking amount being produced by us. In his day they were entirely self sufficient and the only thing that caused them any trouble would be mother nature...as it still does today. Freewheat I envy you in doing what you are doing...and I may start to go back to "basics" as my family's life would get better. I think that most of society does spend to much time wasting time on technology...this is hard for me to say as I have spent most of my work life bring technology in many homes. Maybe if everyone would put down the IPhone,IPad,game systems etc they might be suprised that a simple conversation can be had with out texting or internet..

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              #18
              Gotta say that I love the quality of life that technology affords me. All the modern conveniences I have mean that I have more of the valuable resource called time. I use that time to raise my family, generate income, volunteer, and enjoy recreational pursuits.
              I think it's fantastic that global food production is so efficient that less than 10% of our income goes to purchasing food. Food is so cheap to buy! If I consider the time it would take me to raise chickens, pigs, goats and a garden I could never justify it. It would be an inefficient use of my time. The only way I could justify it would be to consider it a hobby.
              Freewheat - How does your goat save you $3000 a year in milk and cheese? I have three kids and I spend less than $800/yr on milk and cheese. If I spent $3000/yr on milk and cheese I would have to give up every modern convenience I have and do hard physical labour everyday or else my butt would be as broad as a barn!
              The best thing about the good old days is that they are good and gone...

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                #19
                Freewheat drinks 1.4 gallons of milk a day. He must have a big family.

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