Parsley this is likely to get messy but maybe you can comment

[Hopperbin]

Your comment on a thread almost too far back was ,

Hopper, the renter did an excellent job, precisely
as prescribed, exactly as advised. And kept
records. No conflict. But the system was doomed
to failure. Pars

What exactly did he do? At that time no till was not common and many were going towards continuous cropping from summerfallow every 2 to 4 years. Possibly he did not fertilize enough which was also common at that time.

In my opinion fertilizer and min till made our farms profitable and productive. My dad who summerfallowed every 3rd year cannot believe that I can have an earth worm hanging on every shank when checking things but he takes my word for it and I am good for it. Something has happened since the days of summerfallow and excessively working the soil I am thinking.

[Hopperbin]

Like yu say we can both go our own ways and do what we do. I just never seen land destroyed or harmed by responsible fertilizer and chemical application yet. I like your sainfoin grazing crop idea to do what you do to bring up nutrients. Sounds good. Anyways in another million years we will likely be under an ocean again.

[Hopperbin]

One thing all farmers agree on is nutients are key and gives your crop a competitive advantage against the weeds.

[Hopperbin]

In the days before your renter I know of a neighbour that farmed 30 quarters of land and combined it all with a 1480 international and thinking they used that machine for over 15 years. Crops were thin, and not like today. Today we use a 9120 with almost triple the horse power and its almost not enough comparatively.

[parsley]

Just on my way home from dinner and a movie
and wine, and wine, and wine.

As I recall, and take it with a grain of salt tonight,
it was continuous cropped, with differed crops
grown. Canola grown several years, hrs, barley.
Crops were sprayed and fertilized. Canola had
some spray that caused him to be a careful
applier. Can't recall what it was. It was in 1987
and spray is not familiar territory for me. Pars

[parsley]

We continuous crop most of the time
Hopper. Farming practices are very dependent
upon weather, though. For several years, it
wouldn't matter what cott did, flooded fields are
hard to deal with. Btw, sainfoin is roundup
resistant so you would have to disc or cultivate.
Pars

[wd9]

From weedcontrolfreaks.com Sainfoin and Roundup:

I have also heard many anecdotal reports from growers and researchers that have used glyphosate on
sainfoin with little or no observable injury. The concerning issue for me is that there is almost no
evidence from replicated research trials indicating that glyphosate can be safely used on sainfoin.
The only peer-reviewed research on the subject of glyphosate in established sainfoin inexplicably
did not collect any forage or seed yield data, which makes it of very limited value.

In the fall of 2011, a trial was established at the Powell R&E Center to screen sainfoin tolerance
to various herbicides. Several rates of Roundup were included, in order to finally quantify the
effect of glyphosate on sainfoin yield. This photo was taken approximately 2 weeks after Roundup
PowerMax was applied at a rate of 12 fluid ounces per acre. The plot in front shows the Roundup
treatment, compared to healthy sanfoin directly behind it.

Even though there are many accounts of glyphosate being safely used in sainfoin, this illustrates
the potential crop injury that can result. Based on the information obtained so far from this trial,
I would strongly recommend against spraying glyphosate (at any rate) in a growing sainfoin crop.
Yield data will be collected from this trial and will be made available as it is collected.

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2012/05/weed-control-in-sainfoin/

[Hopperbin]

WD showed up, did I instigate it? Any law against it?

[mcfarms]

Maybe its resistant like pioneer hi
breds sclerotina resistant
varieties,resistant as long as there's
not much around.

[wd9]

You are right hopper, why the **** bother.

[furrowtickler]

Seen 28 plots last year - all side by side with PHI sclerotinia res varieties and others. In every case infection rates were down at least 50% up to 70%. We had some very high infection rates here, and it worked as advertized.

[parsley]

We've only consistently grown sainfoin since the
late seventies, so our experience is probably
considered limited.

Grown for our show herds b/c it is a zero-bloat
forage.

Those who have experience growing sainfoin will
discover they cannot spray the crop with
roundup, to end the rotation, and have a
successful kill. The roots survive.

That is the context in which I made my
comments, and a handy piece of advice for new
sainfoin growers who wish to end their rotation.

Of course, this applies to organic production.
Pars

[mcfarms]

Pars
we ran into that with an annual ryegrass we tried behind silage for fall grazing a few years back, was supposed to be both easy to kill with Gly, and winterkill easily. It wasn't on both accounts.
Furrow. I have been pushing companies to quantify "resistant" claims, many in this area last year sprayed all there non "resistant" varieties and not the resisitant ones and saw major issues.
All resistant varieties currently have different levels of resistance and this need to be quantified in sales data much like they do with maturities, lodging etc etc.
It would help with decision making not only on seed decisions but agronomic decisions in crop.

[furrowtickler]

All resistance levels on PHI scrlerotinia varieties are clearly stated in data.

[hobbyfrmr]

Furrow,

I brought the family skiing on the Feb break. En route to ski hill got thinking that you farm near that city.
Do you participate in the "Prince of Peas" contest?
I was doing some work out in the Medstead Glaslyn area and there was a white truck driving around with the Prince of Peas logo. It had the producers name but I could not read it. I learned it was a pea yeild contest. I thought that was a novel idea.