commissions and assosiations

[parsley]

No Dan, the issue IS refundable checkoff or non
refundable checkoff.

That is the issue so dont try to camoflauge it.

How can an arranged marriage of co-operation
working amongst the 'little groups' work ?Is
legislatied co-operation simply one big forced
money pot dished out by Chief GrainBowl, but
still another Wheat Board, isn't it.

National vs local representation
Dairy industry ends up the inevitable model.

I have observed a lot of per diems and schemes,
and brilliant salespitches and expense sheets,
and research papers. One thing stands out:
farmers pay for that which is of more benefit to
others. Value is questionable, at the kindest.
pars.

[danpenner]

Farm Ranger the 4-5 buck a tonne is from $800 a tonne pinto beans and kidney beans are $1100 a tonne at .5% that makes $4 to $5.5 per tonne

the cereal commision or association is where we need to go,
thats the suggestion, this may be a long way to go but there are intrests from cereal to cereal that cross boundrys,
the local vs international issues you are correct, couldnt we have provincal commitees to deal with crop insurance (provincial) and variety trials (regional)?
its just time we start putting the tables together.
the world is becomming very small.

Parsly isnt the only non refundable check-off Sask Pulse?

the others (at least manitoba) are all refunable on request
heres an interesting fact if i sell edible beans to the U.S i pay northarvest check off and mb checkoff

[parsley]

You've made a good point. Same beans are
checked-off, and checked-off and checked-off.
You'd enjoy .

That is why all checkoffs should be made on a
voluntary basis. not an automatic checkoff where
the onus is on a producer like me to request
refunds. it is, after all, my money.

And you could voluntarily double your Ca-Ching.
Ca-Ching. Ca-Ching when your eyes were
amazed at the benefits. it is after all, your money
Pars

[danpenner]

thanks for all the replys im gonna repost the newspaper article under a new thread called Farm Leadership

and we will start again

[danpenner]

pars
i get your point.
let me know whitch checkoffs are non refundable?
i would like to know

[parsley]

Checkoffs are mandatorally, legislatively
collected. They can be refunded, but farmers
ARE forced to pay That should not be. That was
buckets point. That was and remains my point.
What do you not understand about mandatory?
The forced part? The non-opt out part? Or the
obligation to pay part?

Next, a national mandatory levy seems to be in
the hatching and we hear the crowing. I'm
listening.

When local and provincial levies are forcefully
collected by law, any national organization will
also be tempted to lobby for more forced
collection, and thrn for it to become non-
refundable.

Countless small farms in Quebec, could easily
outvote larger Western counterparts, to get a
hIgher% of the levymoney raise the levy, and
make bloody sure it was non-refundable.

If Western farmers requested a total of 75% of
the booty in a given year, and contractual
obligations were unmet, it wouldn't take much
time before the checkoff would be non-
refundable, would it. Pars

[vvalk]

Parsley. What is stopping you from requesting
your checkoof dollars back and starting your own
organic association to lobby government about
everything you just wrote down. Checkoffs will
never be non refundable and I personally have
never received a per dime cheque ever! In fact
over the years I am out tens of thousands of
dollars volunteering my time on these boards and
I take great exception to your comments that
unless you went to jail your just a boy or girl
Many people have worked very hard on these
files and i have personally,in public, given much
credit to those who fought these battles for
decades and by timing alone some of us were in
leadership roles when the changes came about. If
you want to direct your ignorant comments to me
lets do it but throwing generalities out there is
pretty classless

[bucket]

vvalk

Its pretty ****ing simple. You guys want to have a new organization called the saskatchewan wheat commission.

You have already talked to the minister of agriculture and got the ok.

Its pretty futile I know, but did any of you actually think of asking the following:

1. Would you be in favour of supporting a wheat commission? yes or no.


2. If yes would you like a mandatory refundable check off? yes or no.


3. Would you support the wheat commission to a certain level like a financial cap?



Along with that could go a bunch of info on your aspirations and dreams of what to do with the money.


Instead you chose to ram this down the throats of wheat producers.

Or maybe I missed the memo.

I think you make good points about the paperwork to ask for money back, but its just as easy to have the paperwork in place to ask for the money in the first place.

I have no problem when asked, I squawk a little when told.

I will repeat myself again and ask, what would be wrong with a cap on checkoffs?

[parsley]

Nothing wrong with being a classless broad when
your purse is being robbed.

I was mugged in Regina at a wedding hotel. but
the mugger, not I,  ran for the door.  I'm not a
victim because I actually figured out I was 
BEING mugged and who the mugger was.  

Sometimes muggers are dressed in suits. 

I have no intention of supporting having to apply
for a refund of my own  money, that any working
group, (consisting of a handfull of producers),
have decided to have automatically have
extracted from my purse.

True business thinkers don't think or act that way. 

Chambers  of Commerce do not apply automatic
deductions when I incorporate a business. . They
court membership.  Neither do they have a
vendetta against these who CHOOSE  to not join  
That is what decent businessmen  do, unlike the
attack on bucket who had the audacity to
question the auto -deduction-process.

In my world, any decent leader or any decent
government leader would not consider
automatically deducting fees from from me
without my explicit permission. 

So get the concept straight, vvalk. Either you
believe .....my $29.95 is mine,  and your
countless $10K's that you chose to devote is
yours .....or you don't. 

I refuse to agree that begging to get back my
money, which I never gifted in the first place, is a
sound business practice on which base  raising
funds. 

Many producers look to  a world of socialism. a
world I don't support,  where ppl look to others to
pay for their  unaffordable schemes. 

Just don't call yourselves businessman. 
Pars