Is the glyphosate shortage BS?

[gustgd]

http://jerodmcdaniel.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/gl
yphosate-and-dinosaurs/


Small sample


Once upon a time (last time corn went batshit nuts
to the upside) this little chemical used by
EVERYONE called glyphosate was thought to be
in limited supply. Everyone who uses this
chemical got scared and there was a rush to
secure supplies. Makes sense, if something is
running low, get yours before the next guy in case
it runs out. Simple enough, good business
practice. (If you don’t know what glyphosate is,
just google it, I’m not going to use name brands,
because those ****ers would probably sue me…
I’m going to pisssssss them off in a moment)
Anyway, not enough supply because there was
some tragic event that made it all go away…
TURNS OUT IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT!!!!! I’m not
making this up, check for yourself, most products
nationwide were priced $60 /gal and in a few
short months (after heavy buying season passed)
HOLY SHIT, they found some more and the race
was on to the downside, $10/gal. That about
sums up what happened in short form.


This guy has one of the best Ag blogs out there.

Discuss

[bucket]

The one thing we are not short of is councils and commissions, hey gust?

The incease in glyphoshate this year won't be as much as the wheat commission's mandatory check-off of a buck a tonne or the equivalent of a buck an acre or more for most.

Just some perspective here.

It seems illogical for you to bitch about the price increase of round up, when you and company, through the wheat commission are doing the exact same thing.

Maybe you can get it now that every little expense matters.

Besides I can see the benefit of glyphosate.

Can't really see the benefit of the wheat commission or the WGRF check offs.

[SASKFARMER3]

I thank you for getting me to a fun site. That's my kind of farmer!
Any way this Roundup bs is bs.
Our farm is protected since purchase in 2010 two semi loads and one more late last fall.
Were good till spring of 2015.
Bucket on the new tax on farmers for BS program, yea lets call it what it really is a make work program to discuss BS paid for by farmers.

[ColevilleH2S]

Ohhh the profanity!!!


Lol;-) I think he has the fundamentals
nailed though. Just hit rewind to 2008.
But it won't go up as much this time nor
last as long, because there is more
supply around. It just a matter of
moving it across the ocean.

[ColevilleH2S]

On the commission thing;

I'm coining a new phrase that I think
most farmers have recently been
afflicted with since all of this talk of
new commissions for each commodity in
each province.

Commission fatigue.

[bucket]

I think the last price hike in glyphosate prices was because china was trying to reduce the air pollution for the olympics, so manufacturing was slow or stopped.

I don't buy the excuse either but that was one floating around.

Was in talking to a retailer the other day about the very problem and he did a bulk order last september that still isn't filled.

But if a bunch of guys like SF3 buy 2 years supply I can see a short term shortage but that equals out because they will be buying less the next spring.

Call it was it is - collusion.

[farmaholic]

Bucket: I like your contradictory no
bullshit attitude, call it as you see it
even though it is only your opinion.
Especially the multiple commission issue,
why the duplication?

[mcfarms]

Betcha just the lower price stuff ,rt540,
maverick etc gets hard to find.

[vvalk]

It's not Gerrids fault there are multiple new
commissions being set up. That is how the law is
set up. Right now you cannot have multiple
provincial checkoof funded commissions. So if
you want one super commission then talk to your
provincial government to change the regulations.
Your not really out any money, the CWB used to
take the check off off your final payment.

[bucket]

farmaholic

Such kind words - even my wife doesn't compliment me that well.LMAO.

I tend to look at the big picture. Sure I see the price of glyphosate going up but I also remember buying a 1000 litre tote in the spring for 8 grand and by the fall the same one cost me half that.

Now it costs even less. I am applying more so its still costing the same.

High price glyphosate hurt farmers because they went with the label rate when they knew they should have applied more.

Then they went back to the chemical company and they had to stand behind the label rate and it was costing them more as well.

I am not defending the chemical companies but knowing the current cost compared to what it had been "its all good". Besides I am not against profit. But I am against collusion.

So what if glyphosate stayed the same price, just more reason for the wheat commission minions to take more.

More for glyphosate, more for the commissions - what does gust think - its from different pockets?

Look at the big picture.

[gustgd]

see my jumbled response under the thread

commissions and assosiations by danpenner

[bucket]

vvalk

Then get the governments to change the laws.

Gust has been appointed to other boards by the current ag minister.

If its not his fault, then by logic he isn't telling the minister to change the law either.

You can't follow government officials around spelling their farts and at least not try to influence them a little bit.

Even just reading here, its not hard to get the feeling for what farmers are asking for. Combine those thoughts and present it to government.

He is already there and is pretty tight with the provincial government.

So if he working on this, listening, and reading he would build himself some credibilty if, he and company, would ask the governments to make that happen.

Besides the wheat commission is a foregone conclusion already, it is just waiting for some rubber stamping after the patronizing discussion period.

Say what you want, those that take on the challenge have to accept some of the blame when the outcomes are not what farmers want.

BTW, I already asked about using the WGRF money and was shot down on every count. They will be extracting more money from saskatchewan farmers.

[SASKFARMER3]

Lets just clarify why I bought when I did. 2.45 a liter is dirt cheap every one uses this product. It stores easily can stack two high. Buy big plastic totes not those plastic and metal shit shows.

[bucket]

SF3

I understand that, and I wasn't complaining. I was using it as example as to why companies say ther might be a short term shortage. If you clean out a warehouse, its then considered a shortage, even though its a super price.

What were you suppose to do, wait till they increased the price?

It seems we will be short of every chemical.

That is because chemical companies base their product requirement for the next year by this years sales.

It is stupid. There are still "X" number of acres in western Canada. Drop out the wet acre years and that's what they should base chemical production on.

Western Canada has't change the number of acres, like everyone says "they ain't making more land"

[SASKFARMER3]

No I just was explaining why! Price was good I was still planning to farm a few years so purchased at low price.
If something is reasonable price and buy before some one figures it out.
Now the BS with Chem and shortages is BS. Last year Vitterra shipped a lot of chemical to swift for disease in Wheat DAh east sask needed product west sask got for fusarium.