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    this is a little long but heres the MB cooperator article that does a real good job of explaining the letter that was sent to associations commisions and government


    By Allan Dawson
    co-operator staff
    AManitoba farmer mounting
    an effort to create one
    big commodity association
    says a splintered voice is not only
    expensive, it could cost farmers
    control of their industry.
    As the number of commodity
    organizations collecting checkoffs
    continues to grow, a 5,000-
    acre Manitoban farmer can be
    paying around $20,000 a year in
    checkoffs, said Danny Penner, a
    Halbstadt-area farmer and former
    president the Manitoba Pulse
    Growers Association. He says
    checkoff dollars would be better
    spent on a larger, more efficient
    national commodity association.
    “If we continue on the road
    we’re on, people are going to see
    themselves putting too much
    money into small-picture thinking
    and they’re going to vote with
    their dollars and they’re going to
    take more and more money out,”
    said Penner.
    “If we are moving forward
    and the people spending a lot of
    money see there is a vision and
    there is a movement and something
    is going to come of this, and
    the dollars they spend are going
    to have a national or international
    focus, I think they’ll more likely
    leave their money in.”
    Penner, whose father Jack was
    the first president elected to lead
    Keystone Agricultural Producers,
    crafted his proposals after consulting
    some like-minded farmers,
    and then emailed them last
    week to western Canadian commodity
    groups, the federal and
    Prairie agriculture ministers, and
    several reporters.
    “We are writing to request your
    support for the creation of a new
    producer-driven national farm
    organization that would work to
    solidify marketing systems for
    grains, oilseeds, pulses and special
    crops,” the document states.
    No matter where farmers
    stood on the Canadian Wheat
    Board, its mandate change “left
    a void” the document says. To fill
    it, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and
    Alberta are creating wheat and
    barley associations. And there are
    already winter cereal, oat, pulse
    and canola associations in those
    provinces.
    Farmers would be better served
    by a single national, or at least to
    start with, western farmer-run,
    commodity associations, Penner
    said. Each would send representatives
    to sit on the board of a single,
    national farm association, which
    would also elect farmers, he said.
    “Then the minister of agriculture
    could say, ‘I’m going to
    Winnipeg and I’m going to meet
    with these guys and I can cover
    everything in two days rather than
    travelling all across Canada trying
    to get fragmented views from
    each individual organization,’”
    Penner said.
    Subcommittees could work on
    local issues, but the focus would
    be on the big picture and using
    economies of scale to deliver
    more bang for the buck, Penner
    said.
    Several national commodity
    groups already exist, including
    the Canada Grains Council
    and Canola Council of Canada.
    Meanwhile, work is underway
    to set up the Cereals Council of
    Canada. But these groups are
    dominated by “industry” representatives,
    Penner said.
    “We’re looking at something
    that’s going to be farmer run,” he
    said. “Industry has a place, but
    if we allow the life science companies
    to lead us... ultimately
    I don’t think that’s in the best
    interests of farmers and consumers
    alike.”
    The Grain Growers of Canada,
    an umbrella organization for grain
    commodity groups, could play
    a role in setting up a new single,
    national association because it is
    farmer run, Penner said.
    “But they would have to take a
    really large step forward in how
    they are managed and how they
    would see themselves growing
    into this,” he said.
    Penner said the Canadian Grain
    Commission could also play
    a role in getting the association
    going. Having a national farmerrun
    association could also take
    ownership of crop varieties developed
    by Agriculture and Agri-
    Food Canada after it pulls out of
    research, Penner said. If farmers
    don’t organize, those crops will
    end up owned by private firms,
    he said.
    “I’m not calling that the end of
    the world, but it doesn’t give us
    any control over what we’re going
    to be dealing with in 10, 15 or 20
    years,” Penner said.
    Penner’s document doesn’t
    spell everything out and that’s
    deliberate, he said. It’s meant
    to be thought provoking, not
    prescriptive.
    So far feedback has been positive,
    Penner said.
    “The responses I’d say are 90
    per cent on side and 10 per cent
    skepticism,” he said.
    “It may not happen from this
    initiative, but it will happen,”
    Penner predicted during an interview
    March 7. “It has to happen
    and if it doesn’t happen we’re
    going to be in trouble because
    we’re going to lose control of our
    own industry.”
    See Page 5 for the full text of
    Penner’s pitch to fellow farmers.
    allan@fbcpublishing.com
    Farmers urged to

    #2
    Danny,

    Yous Should Be More Worried Bout yer Greedy Church Goin Minnow Neighours Both Pushin 30K Acres. Nevermind Semen's Monopoly with Burbank Xpress, Whatta Con Job That is, Dirty Rotten Kawk Suckers!!!!!!!!! Figure The Reason These Guys can expand causea The Cheap, Hard Workin, Loyal 2 The Church Mexican Minnows, Thats all Theys Know Really. Minnows Lie, Cheat, n' Steal, 6 Days a Week n' on The 7th Day Theys Give 10% Back, And These Guys Honestly Believe Thats Ok in The Good Lord's Eyes!!!!!!!!! Just as Bad as The Hutts, Well Same Thing Aint cha's!!!!!!! Heil BTO, n' F#ck The Hutts/Minnows eh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      #3
      BTO, we have same pattern in Sask. the Mexican
      Mennos are employed by the BTO's.
      these folks have never seen such large scale
      machinery and farming. They work hard not for
      best wages, decent wages, no benefits, no
      overtime etc but yet, they have never seen so
      much money. So everybody is happy.

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        #4
        I observe farmer apathy, Dan. Farm associations
        struggle to even get a quorum. Why would it be
        any different nationally?

        Will it be that Western farmers will not participate,
        but will pay, and have no say because they will
        be outvoted?

        So obviously a national association is not being
        formed because champing-at-the-bit mainstream
        producers demand it. Whose need will a new
        fattened-funded national association really
        serve? Pars

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          #5
          pars in responce to your other coment on the commisions and associations thread, i dont think we need a national check-off, the new national association could be funded by the cereal commision, oil seeds association, and the pulse association... if they got organized.

          whos voice would be served?
          yours with better organization, less duplication, bigger dollars at the table with less overhead, and to have all groups at the table (by appointment from respective groups), and a proper election throughout canada i think theres no question the farmers intrests would would be served.

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            #6
            I agree, but the people leading the charge to get these provincial commissions formed, will ceratinly have their nose out of joint about such a revolutionary idea.

            Good points about how much a farm can end up paying in checkoffs.

            I think a cap should be in place.

            I really don't think because you are a volume farmer you get that same multiple value out of it.

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              #7
              Thinking out loud here;
              Since these commissions basically
              distribute breeder dollars, why not
              bypass them altogether and do it by way
              of an end user royalty.
              At point of sale a farmer would declare
              their variety, and the breeder of that
              variety would be paid their royalty on a
              tonnes sold basis. Those that breed the
              most popular varieties would be rewarded
              the most.
              This would spur innovation and entice
              some much needed private investment in
              wheat research.

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                #8
                Coleville
                Now your talking!

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                  #9
                  Am I too harsh in saying, other than
                  doling out money to breeders everything
                  else commissions do is fluff. With an
                  end point royalty in place would they
                  even needed?

                  Please convince me otherwise.

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                    #10
                    H2S. While I would agree that varietal
                    development is very important. I would also add
                    things that are very tough to get a return on things
                    like agronomy and extension. Tough to patent and
                    I've seen studies that show commercial yields on
                    average are half of genetic potential.

                    I would say much of the policy work done by
                    farmer commissions and associations would not
                    be done by industry. And if they were they would
                    put their own sector first.
                    Life science companies have different interests
                    than, WGEA members, who are different than
                    domestic processors, inland terminal association
                    members, government..... None of them are
                    thinking farmers first.
                    Farm Income responsibilities include but not
                    limited to Crop insurance farm support programs,
                    taxation, crop inputs.


                    Marketing, Grain Regulation & Value-Added
                    Responsibility,
                    Grain handling and marketing, Canadian grain
                    commission, futures and cash marketing.

                    Membership


                    Science & Technology / BioProducts.
                    Environment, varietal registration, production
                    issues, plant research, pesticide registration,
                    biotech, WGRF, Western Standards committee,
                    biofuels


                    Trade
                    WTO, CEDA, TPP, US relations, bilateral
                    agreements, CIDA and food aid


                    Railroads and transportation.
                    Port issues, container v bulk, transportation act

                    If any member wants to discuss give Blair a call. If
                    your not a member sign up.

                    In my opinion most commission's will have a
                    similar list.
                    Give them a call with your priorities. Tell them
                    what you want dropped. Feedback is essential.

                    Call check offs what they are. A tax. It's the table
                    stakes needed to sit at the table.

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                      #11
                      Thought I had written that above are the wheat
                      grower committees.

                      Oliver88
                      nothing proposed as increases for WGRF. Still
                      .30c/ tonne on Wheat and .50c/tonne on Barley

                      CIGI is .18c
                      Both are a maximum of five years with the
                      provincial commissions deciding future funding
                      levels.
                      There's some admin by ABC I think .04 also
                      covers levy central.
                      Sask wheat proposed .52c

                      Blackpowder, what problems do you have with
                      WGRF? Anything recent or something in the
                      past?

                      Bucket, in Mb and Alberta went the survey route.
                      Very expensive, returned surveys were positive.
                      Interim directors felt value for money was not
                      there to do it in Sask.
                      The way I see it we could have a maximum levy.
                      Sort of like when someone buys a Costco
                      membership. Although levels would have tone
                      set high enough to have a similar dollar amount.
                      Given that farmers want similar levels of service.
                      Probably 3-5k? Might be lower or higher just a
                      guess.
                      Fairest way IMO is the way we do it now. Those
                      that get a good crop pay after they sell, at a level
                      that is predetermined. Everyone gets the same
                      level of service big or small farmer.
                      You can argue that all taxes should be voluntary.
                      Doesn't happen. In my experience farmers are
                      more interested in equity on this than your model.

                      Parsley. No matter what I type I'm a socialist in
                      your mind. I wish I had your money so I could be
                      so ideologically pure.

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                        #12
                        Gusty,

                        After all is said and done... how much will actually get
                        done that increases profitability on our farms.

                        WGRF... BIG bucks were given to them (<$100M from
                        rail overpayment etc)... what did they do? They sat on
                        it. And then said they needed even more money.

                        Everyone wants a big contingency fund... and to keep
                        raising levys...

                        Now paid directors for:

                        Oats, Wheat, Barley, Pulse, Canola in AB.

                        Way over $1M in admin... that could be done easy for
                        half as much... as has been said before. Barley wheat
                        and oats can easily be administrated together like
                        pulses. Flax should be with Canola. Provincially.

                        Too many $$$/power turf wars, prejudice, and
                        arrogance to work together.

                        Our farms are paying the price.

                        Voluntary groups like the Wheat growers (who did so
                        much with so little)...are snubbed like they are ugly
                        magpies. Sad.

                        Cheers.

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                          #13
                          Thoughtful observation, Tom. Producers need to
                          be active b/c the individual producer best knows
                          his farm and what best serves his farm .

                          The days of driving miles and eating and hotels
                          belong to the days that have died.

                          Producers can now participate by skype and
                          FaceTime etc, in their homes or through their
                          libraries.
                          .
                          True farm business leaders would never lobby
                          government to install automatic-deduction
                          legislation on wealth creating producers.

                          It is a business-foolish practice. An invasion of
                          property. An unecessary expense. It is forced
                          co-operation. It weakens independence. And it
                          furthers the goal of socialism. It is also the
                          avenue that leads to farmers footing the bills for
                          those who outvote their interests

                          A handful of legislated farmers, along with a few
                          dozen outside-interest board members, chaired
                          by Chief Spence reporting to a PM Mulcair, will
                          collect more than enough ag-land carbon taxes
                          to pay for UN Delegation per diems. Pars.

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                            #14
                            back to the topic
                            all the arguing aside about funding whose nose is out of joint, and who doesnt want to pay checkoffs,

                            is the idea posted worth pursuing?

                            could there be benifit in working together?

                            is farmer conrtol of our future important?

                            can pulse, cereals, and oil seeds have common goals they can work on togerther?

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                              #15
                              National org will be on life support without
                              funding. You seem to think auto-deducts, by
                              existing orgs, will automatically continue.

                              I don't.

                              My reasoning:

                              Money supply will dribble. Taxes will rise.
                              Markets will struggle. Producer cost will soar.
                              Farmers will request refunds.

                              Which leaves national body on life support.

                              Do you have stored oxygen? Pars.

                              PS money is so, er, awkward, isn't it.

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