Farm Leadership

[gustgd]

Thought I had written that above are the wheat
grower committees.

Oliver88
nothing proposed as increases for WGRF. Still
.30c/ tonne on Wheat and .50c/tonne on Barley

CIGI is .18c
Both are a maximum of five years with the
provincial commissions deciding future funding
levels.
There's some admin by ABC I think .04 also
covers levy central.
Sask wheat proposed .52c

Blackpowder, what problems do you have with
WGRF? Anything recent or something in the
past?

Bucket, in Mb and Alberta went the survey route.
Very expensive, returned surveys were positive.
Interim directors felt value for money was not
there to do it in Sask.
The way I see it we could have a maximum levy.
Sort of like when someone buys a Costco
membership. Although levels would have tone
set high enough to have a similar dollar amount.
Given that farmers want similar levels of service.
Probably 3-5k? Might be lower or higher just a
guess.
Fairest way IMO is the way we do it now. Those
that get a good crop pay after they sell, at a level
that is predetermined. Everyone gets the same
level of service big or small farmer.
You can argue that all taxes should be voluntary.
Doesn't happen. In my experience farmers are
more interested in equity on this than your model.

Parsley. No matter what I type I'm a socialist in
your mind. I wish I had your money so I could be
so ideologically pure.

[TOM4CWB]

Gusty,

After all is said and done... how much will actually get
done that increases profitability on our farms.

WGRF... BIG bucks were given to them (<$100M from
rail overpayment etc)... what did they do? They sat on
it. And then said they needed even more money.

Everyone wants a big contingency fund... and to keep
raising levys...

Now paid directors for:

Oats, Wheat, Barley, Pulse, Canola in AB.

Way over $1M in admin... that could be done easy for
half as much... as has been said before. Barley wheat
and oats can easily be administrated together like
pulses. Flax should be with Canola. Provincially.

Too many $$$/power turf wars, prejudice, and
arrogance to work together.

Our farms are paying the price.

Voluntary groups like the Wheat growers (who did so
much with so little)...are snubbed like they are ugly
magpies. Sad.

Cheers.

[parsley]

Thoughtful observation, Tom. Producers need to
be active b/c the individual producer best knows
his farm and what best serves his farm .

The days of driving miles and eating and hotels
belong to the days that have died.

Producers can now participate by skype and
FaceTime etc, in their homes or through their
libraries.
.
True farm business leaders would never lobby
government to install automatic-deduction
legislation on wealth creating producers.

It is a business-foolish practice. An invasion of
property. An unecessary expense. It is forced
co-operation. It weakens independence. And it
furthers the goal of socialism. It is also the
avenue that leads to farmers footing the bills for
those who outvote their interests

A handful of legislated farmers, along with a few
dozen outside-interest board members, chaired
by Chief Spence reporting to a PM Mulcair, will
collect more than enough ag-land carbon taxes
to pay for UN Delegation per diems. Pars.

[danpenner]

back to the topic
all the arguing aside about funding whose nose is out of joint, and who doesnt want to pay checkoffs,

is the idea posted worth pursuing?

could there be benifit in working together?

is farmer conrtol of our future important?

can pulse, cereals, and oil seeds have common goals they can work on togerther?

[parsley]

National org will be on life support without
funding. You seem to think auto-deducts, by
existing orgs, will automatically continue.

I don't.

My reasoning:

Money supply will dribble. Taxes will rise.
Markets will struggle. Producer cost will soar.
Farmers will request refunds.

Which leaves national body on life support.

Do you have stored oxygen? Pars.

PS money is so, er, awkward, isn't it.

[bucket]

Danpenner

Sure the idea has merit.

The problem I have with checkoffs is the
organizations lack of authority or
responsibilty.

Look at flax. The problem started with
the breeders. Then the seedgrowers.

The bill was ultimately left with the
commercial farmers.

I have a request into saskflax about the
seed growers exchanging seed as part of
their responsibilty to this mess. No
return call yet two months and waiting.

[BTO_farmall]

Danny,

Yous Seem Much To Occupied By This. Give Me The Names and Phone #'s To all Yer Land Lords, And I Will Keep Yous Busy 4 a Few Weeks Anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rook]

Dan, how would this be different than the current Grain Growers of Canada?

[TOM4CWB]

Dan,

Perhaps you missed my post?

"After all is said and done... how much will actually get
done that increases profitability on our farms.

WGRF... BIG bucks were given to them (<$100M from
rail overpayment etc)... what did they do? They sat on
it. And then said they needed even more money.

Everyone wants a big contingency fund... and to keep
raising levys...

Now paid directors for:

Oats, Wheat, Barley, Pulse, Canola in AB.

Way over $1M [per year] in admin... that could be done easy for
half as much... as has been said before. Barley wheat
and oats can easily be administrated together like
pulses. Flax should be with Canola. Provincially.

Too many $$$/power turf wars, prejudice, and
arrogance to work together.

Our farms are paying the price.

Voluntary groups like the Wheat growers (who did so
much with so little)...are snubbed like they are ugly
magpies [as in bottom feeders]. Sad. "

You don't get it Dan?

At many meetings...the 'grower directors' are too busy to show up.

Cheers

[danpenner]

TOM4CWB
sorry about that
i think your wrong about the wcwga they are not snubbed ,acctually i think these guys have the total ear of the minister of ag,and do an excelent job of representing the intrests of their members,
how would emalgamating grower associations from provinces benifit your bottom line? by putting all the money from all provinces in one pot and having big money to spend on reaserch, variety development, market development, food and health inititives....etc.
rather than each provincial associations trying to acheive that within provincial boundrys
and end up with less administration and more dollars spent on improving your bottom line,
it would also allow us as farmers to retain ownership in what we do for a living.
grow food.


ROOK
grain growers of canada would be totaly capable of putting this together if the will was there to change how they are structured.
picture this, a board with representation from national oilseeds association (chair and executive director) then national pulse (chair and executive director) then national cereal association (chair and exec director) then a number of farmer regionaly elected representatives, with a ceo hired, and branching off of that a market development arm, a research arm, a lobby and farm policy arm...

organizations are in place we just need them to morph there efforts into one direction
it will make ag stronger