Muster weed control in Canola

[Jagfarms]

Any one used Muster for weed control in Canola?

Just wondering how it works for wild mustard?

[freewheat]

Have not for years, but plan to this
year. It works well on wild mustard.
That is what it is for. It also gets
stinkweed, shepherds purse, hemp nettle,
and another broadleaf. Look up the
label.

I am planning on a 1/4 of conventional,
just to keep the seed companies honest.
I want to see on my farm how much
greater invigour is than a regular
conventional canola, treated with some
dignity and given some groceries as
well. Used to be a guy could grow 40
bushels of AC excel, or Quantum. 40
bushels is still a respectable crop. If
the seed company claims were correct, 80
bushel canola should be a matter of
course by now. We shall see!

[Jagfarms]

Thanks Freewheat for the info

[LEP]

Freewheat I would be very interested to hear the
results. There will be a difference, but how much is the
question.

My guess is 20%.

[freewheat]

I will certainly let you folks know what
happens. I actually have some Thatcher
wheat my dad had from the 50's in a jar.
Will it grow? I am curious how old
wheats would perform under todays input
regime.

Thatcher would probably get 7 feet tall!
And lodge like a dang?

But you know what I mean? When hybrid
canola came along, it happened about
when farmers as a general population
started using more than 50 lbs of n,
started using sulfur as a regular
addition, no-till, herbicide tolerant,
etc.etc.

I just often wonder how much of it was
hybridness, vs. better agronomics. No
doubt, the early invigours looked and
performed better, other than lodging,
but these new ones are not getting
better than the 2573's or the 2663's
that did so well. In ancient (1990's,
pre-hybrid days) canola producer
manuals, they spoke of the genetic
potential of existing canola varieties
being up to 70 bushels an acre. Just
that the agronomics were not there at
that point. I do not think these guys
were lying. Kinda like the polish yield
disadvantage. Who here tried 120 or 150
lbs of n and the full meal deal on
polish? Didn't think so! lol

I am giving it a shot, and a fair shot,
not a test strip or 10 acres. I am doing
the whole quarter. It is two year old
new "breaking", and is relatively weed
free, so I should have a respectable
trial on it.

[freewheat]

And here:

http://www2.dupont.com/Prod_Agriculture/en
-ca/content/crop-protection/muster.html

[ajl]

I know a farmer north of Edmonton who was getting 70 bu out of those
first generation invigors back in the late 90s. Land that had manure
applied to it. I think Bayer has wasted a lot of research money
reinventing the wheel by changing varieties so often and are going to
get a lesson in the law of diminishing marginal returns.

[bucket]

Between the sprayers and the fertilizer we use today, it would be interesting to see if the yield gains came from the breeding or the better farm practices?

My guess it would be the better farm practices and the companies piggy-backing off that.

If I had the 10 percent yield increase every new variety of wheat is supposed to get over the previous one I grew, I should be growing 65 bpa using 50 lbs of fertilizer.

Its not happening. Even at 150lbs.

[FarmRanger]

I wonder how much the extra plant food in the atmosphere is helping (C02)?

[bucket]

farmranger

That extra c02 was supposed to be warming this planet?

Any guesses as to why it is still white on the 1st day of april?

[Jagfarms]

I am going to try a Polish Variety for seed
production see how it compares to the invigors.

Seed cost treated with Helix will be about 1/5
the cost of the invigors.

[freewheat]

Jag, I am leaning towards trying some
Early one polish on this field. I want the
guarantee of winter wheat ready ground. I
think it is about 4 bucks a pound, and
they recommend a seeding rate of 4 lbs...

I agree with the others. All else being
equal, I truly believe the old varieties
did pretty darn well....