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    #21
    Holy **** some of your are living in wonderland. Telling yourself that
    your are actually helping everyone out downstream by draining every acre
    of land within three days of snow melt, or at the very least not causing
    any harm. You can't tell me when there is guys digging ditches ten feet
    deep with a track hoe that that isn't adding to the problems with
    excessive rainfall.

    I know and understand that we need to drain our land to get onto it too
    farm. I would argue though that the problem is that what took three weeks
    to a couple months to drain a decade ago is now being drained in a week
    with all the ditching that is going on. And the infrastructure down
    stream cannot handle the extremes volumes of water being forced upon it in
    such a short period of time. Now I know that the majority of this is
    coming from extreme excess snowfall and rain, but we are just exasperating
    the problem instead of mitigating it. Now if the government had a brain,
    with insight and vision they would fix the infrastructure to handle and
    properly manage the flow, with creating outflows on some lakes, new
    channels, etc... Perhaps they could have spent the disaster assistance
    money on this instead of giving it to farmers to fix up their yards who
    built it in a slough hole.

    There is a lot of blame to go around with all this water mess, and a lot
    of it rests on the farmers and govt regulation, but most is due to mother
    nature. When some people had the vision and foresight to build ditches in
    the 80's and 90's they where fought every step of the way be those who
    where to cheap to pay the small increase in taxes to the c&d etc..., and
    now everyone is paying for the small mindedness of some. The costs have
    sky rocketed and are now even impossible due to increased govt regulation.

    I am not against ditching by any means. I just think we should use common
    sense and not push every bush and drain every slough/lake that has been
    around for a century. If we can' at least use some common sense ourselves
    the govt will force it upon us and then we will all lose.

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      #22
      Wheat king you make a lot of sense in a
      lot of ways. I do know for me, I was
      talking v ditches mostly, not ten foot
      trenches so much. I hear you on that
      front.

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        #23
        BGMP .. I dont know where you is from but I am dam glad I am not a close neibour , with your attude of to hell with everyone I will do as I please I dont think we would be friendly. As for your land you bought with sloughs or bogs you got it cheaper because of them so why do you need to drain everything, so you can get those 80 ft airseeders in there.
        Sask3 if you have feed enough for 20 beaver then you at least didnt drain everything good for you. A small piece of natural shouldnt hurt to leave.
        What has happened to your water well levels, I know here the water table has droped 25/30ft since 2002 drought when everyone decided to farm those sloughs that were dry now they whine they are wet. No pleasing a farmer!!!

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          #24
          Horse, the areas that have drainage areas
          are not drought prone areas. Our wells
          have risen substantially, drainage or not.

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            #25
            Horse,
            I get along with all my neighbours, have not had a
            problem with a single one actually. We drain
            water on to eachother in some cases and as long
            as it runs through and has an outlet its no big deal
            to help a neighbour out.

            Problem is when the anti progress sit in the coffee
            shop and bitch types start running their mouths.....
            Well I guess its not really a problem, just kinda
            annoying.

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              #26
              It's gotta go somewhere, someone will end
              up with it in their back yard whether it's
              1 mile, 100 miles or 1000 miles away--
              someone is getting it.

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                #27
                The Hudson Bay Company is getting it....lol

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                  #28
                  bgmb: With a statement like that I see you as
                  a very radical, lonely and a person who other
                  people try to avoid. Good god man, do you
                  think some of us on here a stupid, stupid,
                  stupid. Like farmaholic says it has to end up
                  somewhere. Do you think it just evaporites in
                  the air in a day or two? We have flooding in
                  areas because of drainage. Somewhere a
                  bottleneck happens and causes water to
                  redirect into other areas, thus causing
                  flooding. Good luck bgmb in your sad and
                  lonely life.

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                    #29
                    Ag chat, pull your head out of your ass everybody
                    is draining everywhere, tile drainage, rotary
                    ditchers, trackhoe, sc****r. I am just up front
                    about what is happening, its been going on for
                    years in other areas so why should i stop now.
                    Red river valley can do what they want for
                    drainage hell they even created their own rivers
                    and nobody says anything so why is it different for
                    the upland areas?

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                      #30
                      Sure the water goes somewhere, but keep
                      in mind every area is different. For
                      example in our area, there are several
                      fairly main waterways that are deep
                      natural ravines that the water gets sent
                      to. the topograghy is such, that no one
                      will notice this water anywhere
                      downstream until winnipeg, and only that
                      if it is an exceptional runoff, and only
                      that if fishing lake overflows.

                      Some areas are flatter with fewer
                      natural outlets. A guy just shouldn't
                      generalize.

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