Be VERY careful to read what you sign!!

[hobbyfrmr]

signing your name on any document is a big
deal.
A persom can work with buyer and customize a
contract if you are really willing to have a
business transaction. You can also politely
describe to the buyer what is not appealing
about the contract and decline the offer.

[Burbert]

Should you read the really fine print
to? How about the stuff hidden in the
colored page portions that are almost
unreadable, except when under certain
light conditions? A f it, the Frame
Business Rep tells ya its a good
standard typea contract, signer after
all the fiends in the grain company are
your fiends always given ya a special
deal. All life is a gamble sign the fn
cons, sooner er later theys gonna getta
anyways. I know alotta really really
really slimely framers who are always
snivelling and whinning outta contracts.
Busniness peeple say framers are the
worst ta deal wit all the time nowadays!
Butt thats Angribusiness, outta the way
boys/girls get me a pen ta sign
wit.......

[blackpowder]

Local CMC apparently slow to get people to sign production
'contracts' this spring. No damn wonder. Forcing us into pricing
periods etc. etc. Remind anyone of the past?? No production
'contracts' necessary this year!
Gotta call BS on Willy again.
When I couldn't deliver on a canola contract company very
accommodating. Yes I wrote check.
Two neighbors weren't so lucky with good OLD CWB.
My freind committed to Churchill program one year. Then before
deadline called to cancel. Was assured it was cancelled.
Person on their end didnt do it. Later, he was called for the
wheat. He disputed and lost. They took money off his next
deliveries for full amount. Immediately after this they started
recording all phone calls. The board never forgave or forgot, and
they owned your grain by law the second it hit the pit anywhere.
I cannot allow anyone to rewrite history incorrectly.
Lest we forget!

[dubsy]

But the ol cwb gave all the left wing dummy's like
wilagro an "average" price, because their to
incompetent to market in a big boys world.

[charliep]

Several organizations have suggested/worked on
contracts with standardized terms and clauses. Is
this the way to go? Industry driven or government
regulation?

One aspect of the WBGA project around a cash
clearing house was standardized contracts that were
fair to both buyer and seller. The clearinghouse
would back stop all transactions with margin money
covering damages to buyers or sellers.

[wilagro]

dubsy: Duh!!, well at least I know the difference between "their" and "they're cuz I went to skool.

Huhahuhahuha!!!

[blackpowder]

perhaps it's as simple as writing only the contracts
people are willing to sign.
leave it to industry as long as its legal.

[hobbyfrmr]

Black powder, you have a point. Historically, the
pattern has been to just sign whatever the buyer
presented and its good enough. Learned
behaviour. When the CWB would take 2/3 of the
production on your farm, all you had to do was
grow and count those bushels. They did
everything else for you. Farmers didn't have to
think very much, or consider business risks.
I used to watch old farmers push their
chequebooks across the desk for the elevator
agent to fill out when paying for their inputs. I
never really understood that, I always viewed that
as a lack of education.
These days, there are less farmers, and I know
industry can write a contract that is agreeable for
both parties.

[Burbert]

Thinkin and being a Comedian framer. That
is a novel concept. DON'T YA GUYS/GRILS
on the farm in Comedia have law firms on
retainer? F ya have countants. Git the
lawyers ta check the fine and really
really fine and invisible ink provisions
before signing! fharpsky&rittttz eh

[FarmRanger]

I'd be curious as to the legality of a contract that
allows one side to breach the fundamental terms
of the contract. Effectively, it removes the ability
of the farmer to realize any benefit from the
contract at the sole discretion of the company.

I was told that a contract has to have
consideration for both sides. If the consideration
for one side is revokable without penaltyor
needing a reason, is it really consideration?

[hobbyfrmr]

Farmranger it should be that way,
but.....ultimately it is what you sign your name
to. As you suggest we have to read the contract
and think abot what we are agreeing to.

[FarmRanger]

Update:

The company removed the offending portions, added an act of God clause, therefore I'm going to sign a contract that's fair for me too.

[Oliver88]

Thanks for the heads up Farm Ranger.

Was this a broker or a large grain company?

[Hopperbin]

I take it the 75 dollars per ton in damages was removed when adding the act of god clause. Did the contracted price come down also? Great you read the contract I wonder what percentage of growers would ignore the fine print.
We owe it to you, hopefully your deal will become standardized. Typically been only growing soft wheat and canola lately so those contracts are pretty basic, malt is one to be careful with for sure. So how did everyone make out last year that signed unpriced production contracts? Price wise? Around here the barley was mostly shit so could sell as feed anywhere, but not easy selling light. Been a while since grew malt but like to get back in, waiting another year as not much malt out of this area lately. Strange as in the past some of us have claimed around 90 percent success rate.

[FarmRanger]

Yes, it was a malt company, and yes they did drop the $75/tonne penalty. That penalty in itself wouldn't have been objectionable if it would only be applied when the farmer decides to renege on the contract in the case of the price has going up later.
I was very impressed that the company would change their contract. Once they understood my objections and why they weren’t unreasonable, the contract was changed to a very favorable one. No yelling, paranoia or disrespect was required to get them to understand.
Moral of the story: read your contracts and don’t assume that you have to sign a bad contract to get a contract. For the most part, businesses aren’t operated by bad guys, they’re just folks that want to run things profitably but fairly, just like us farmers. (I know there are exceptions on both sides, but it pays to assume the best intentions, and prepare for the worst ones).