Noder AngriInvest Flyer In The Mail

[Burbert]

More propoganda from the gag feds tellin
us how good things is out on the fram in
Comedia. Going backwards 2 is the only
way ta go in future cousin gary ritz nose
framing and truly hates all Comedian
framers cousin theys always wineing and
snivellin bout tough times, hes
squeezinhim off fer their own good.
Should take their extra cash and play the
lotto, odds a sucksess is better. FHER eh

[fjlip]

The other 98% vote more than us 2% that feed them. It will never change, sorry we are expendable.

[ColevilleH2S]

Burbs have you got your Agri***** programs mixed up?

AgriInvest is the blatant government handout to farmers.

Agristability, is the make work program for bureaucrats in Ottawa, Winnipeg, Edmonton, and Melville.

[sumdumguy]

Accountants have made a fortune on
AgriStability, CAIS, AIDA. You forgot them.

[carebear300]

Not any more fixed that last week out of Agristability and Agrinvest doesn't cost much at all. Sevenhundred less than last year. Those poor accountants, they are almost like bankers they will think up another scam with their government buddies, just watch.

[carebear300]

Well my accountant has earned his fees. In the couple years that our farm received payments, his calculation of the amount we were to receive was 100% accurate from day one.

In both occasions, it took adjustments to get the administration to process it correctly.

I think so many of you were in the dark if you threw numbers on the form and sent them in to see what came back

[freewheat]

Got a payout twice. I did it myself both times and was 100% accurate both times.
Other than the first time I had to pay it back due to cwb prices vs off board prices.

I am out of agri-invest now. With crop insurance coverage quite high, it would be
impossible to trigger a payment anymore for my farm.

[fjlip]

Also done accurately myself.
Using the current rules we would have received zip in the one payout year. Going backwards 2 is true for farmers. Their risk is less ours is more, forward for gov'mt.

[Hopperbin]

It would seem odd if the gov't continued to spend on farm insurance programs when were bidding land up to 300 thousand per quarter and paying stupid rent. I guess tax payers have lots of money yet, not broke yet.

[charliep]

Interesting last comment. Are you saying most farmers have enough equity they can self insure versus something like crop insurance? Losses from a individual year should be covered by refinancing using land as equity?

I was amazed in the early 80's to watch $1 million business with $900,000 worth of equity get converted to a $700,000 business with $400,000 worth of equity over 3 years (3 years in row of $100,000 business losses plus loss in land/depreciation). Not saying it will happen. Just a note that it has it in the past and to be carefull what you ask for.

[Burbert]

Angristability and AngriInvest have paid
out on several occassion fer us, butt
wes apparently really poor framers
accordin ta the stats that crap
insurance supplies us wit. Wes being
out framed by neighbours ***** gettin 2
- 3 times the grain wes been growin.
Gowinbackwards 2 is likely ta squeeze us
off more and more from the looksa
her,eh. By the way Faccountants,
brokers,gobermont programs and mostall
Harpie, Ritz en last butt not least
Alberta Gag,the Barely Commission,
Canolie Commission, Wheat Commission,
Oat Commission Pulse Commission, Beef
Commission, Pig Commission, and those
old Commissioniers that work in city
parkin lots 2! Nuffsaid.......

[charliep]

Interesting that whole farm risk management programs have been a part of the western Canadian landscape for a long period of time. Trying to remember to programs back before GRIP in the 1990'. Ah memory returns - Western Grain Stabalization. They have been policy across a whole spectrum of governments (federal and provincial). Each had nuances that were modified into something else.

Still interesting the divergance by the comments on the one hand that the programs don't work and on the other, reduced risk from the programs has been built into land prices. Maybe I am not understanding.

[checking]

The only thing necessary to understand is that if you expect to rely on the government to support your business you will have brought in a supporting partner that will more trouble than it will ever be worth. You rascals must really enjoy a challenge.

[freewheat]

Good point checking. Why should we as farmers be guaranteed diddly,
when we pay X dollars for land, X for machinery etc. It is our choice
how we farm. Why should we have a guaranteed anything really, when we
as a whole spend money like drunk idiots, trying to be the biggest and
the best?

When a guy HAS to have a couple mill of machinery, why must he then
have any kind of guarantee from the taxpayer, for farming in a way
that is a CHOICE?

The longer I live, the less I believe we as farmers are owed dick
smack.

Crop insurance? Sure keep it, but I will pay the dang premium.
Agri this and agri that? Good ridance!

[freewheat]

Fjlip and Freewheat, Its great if you feel you have done them properly. I would still challege you on the calculation and its accuracy.

You may have gotten the current year claim right but were your past years correct, therefore making your support level and payment the right amount.

I have witnessed it first hand and would never do them on my own without letting my accountant run their analytical calculations and comparisions.