Noder AngriInvest Flyer In The Mail

[Burbert]

Angristability and AngriInvest have paid
out on several occassion fer us, butt
wes apparently really poor framers
accordin ta the stats that crap
insurance supplies us wit. Wes being
out framed by neighbours ***** gettin 2
- 3 times the grain wes been growin.
Gowinbackwards 2 is likely ta squeeze us
off more and more from the looksa
her,eh. By the way Faccountants,
brokers,gobermont programs and mostall
Harpie, Ritz en last butt not least
Alberta Gag,the Barely Commission,
Canolie Commission, Wheat Commission,
Oat Commission Pulse Commission, Beef
Commission, Pig Commission, and those
old Commissioniers that work in city
parkin lots 2! Nuffsaid.......

[charliep]

Interesting that whole farm risk management programs have been a part of the western Canadian landscape for a long period of time. Trying to remember to programs back before GRIP in the 1990'. Ah memory returns - Western Grain Stabalization. They have been policy across a whole spectrum of governments (federal and provincial). Each had nuances that were modified into something else.

Still interesting the divergance by the comments on the one hand that the programs don't work and on the other, reduced risk from the programs has been built into land prices. Maybe I am not understanding.

[checking]

The only thing necessary to understand is that if you expect to rely on the government to support your business you will have brought in a supporting partner that will more trouble than it will ever be worth. You rascals must really enjoy a challenge.

[freewheat]

Good point checking. Why should we as farmers be guaranteed diddly,
when we pay X dollars for land, X for machinery etc. It is our choice
how we farm. Why should we have a guaranteed anything really, when we
as a whole spend money like drunk idiots, trying to be the biggest and
the best?

When a guy HAS to have a couple mill of machinery, why must he then
have any kind of guarantee from the taxpayer, for farming in a way
that is a CHOICE?

The longer I live, the less I believe we as farmers are owed dick
smack.

Crop insurance? Sure keep it, but I will pay the dang premium.
Agri this and agri that? Good ridance!

[freewheat]

Fjlip and Freewheat, Its great if you feel you have done them properly. I would still challege you on the calculation and its accuracy.

You may have gotten the current year claim right but were your past years correct, therefore making your support level and payment the right amount.

I have witnessed it first hand and would never do them on my own without letting my accountant run their analytical calculations and comparisions.

[BTO_farmall]

And I Wouldn't Be Caught Dead Fillin Out n'knee These Forms!!!!! Guess Thats Why Yous All Growers, n' Me a Farmer. See Ya On The Track, *******!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sumdumguy]

SF3 , very few farmers know how to calculate
the support level and until the government
started using BPUs to manipulate the payments,
you could be pretty accurate, but after the
changing of BPUs, many payments were
recalculated and there were surprises.

[freewheat]

SF99, it is not that tough. It is mathematics. I am very confident
in my mathematics abilities. I do see though, that farmers are
often not the sharpest knives in the drawer, I ran an off farm
business catering to farmers for 10 years, and most had no clue,
worse, most did not even try.

Mathematics is the reason I have dropped the program. Because of
extremely poor average reference margins from too many years of
unseeded acres, but fairly high crop insurance yields that were
not dragged down by unseeded acres those several years of watery
hell on earth, agristability is pointless for MY FARM.

There is mathematically no way that I could trigger a payment
anymore, either if I do not seed due to excess moisture, or if I
do seed, and have strong CI coverage.

Not every farm will be like this. Some guys have been very lucky,
and have great margins, and agristable will still help them.

Good discussion, boys.

[Hopperbin]

Looks like Sask99 has a great accountant very reliable. I am still looking for a new one have mine done tomorrow actually so not sure what the will come of that gotta new guy employee coming out new to me. Charlie crop ins is over paying which is why land prices are so high they reighned in Agstability a bit. The USA is trying to take a bite at their crop insurance gov't portion of the premium. I think we should also. Think about it all the talk of land being the best investment outpacing gold even all on tax payers dollars. Farmers are using it as a money maker, over using it for insurance. About losing equity in a few years how about gaining a couple million in a few years goes both ways. Not many businesses are insured like us small grain farmers and I know I likely gain a lot of enemies from the up and coming farmers and investors but its my thoughts.

[Hopperbin]

And Free Wheat is all correct. He does his own Agstabbing, I let my accountant do it and check it over myself and wonder why the hell I did not do it myself at least I know I check things over and confirm a payment or reference margin. I did a Burbert (Agstabbing) :-))