Wheat Growers welcome new funding for wheat research

[oneoff]

Now on the CGC bonding (and certainly other grain industry issue changes); I could; but certainly will not tell you the details of a conversation I happened to have about 14 months ago on producer bonds held by the CGC for some of those holding licences with the CGC.

Some readers may just recall a "Klemmer Seed " collapse from several decades earlier. All I'll say is that at least a half hour history lesson, coming straight from some of those involved, could and would bring forth more ideas and perspectives than a roomful of current participants in the same problem would ever get to discuss.

And thats most likely because those current leaders are in some ways still likely closely responsible for the current system which has obviously failed us in significant ways.

[wmoebis]

I'm not against R&D or commissions, But
could someone explain why The gov takes
producers money and gives it to WGRF but
when they want to contribute to R&D they
start a whole new commission? Why didn't
they just give it to WGRF. Or an I missing
something?

[oneoff]

You're not missing anything that leadership doesn't intend you to miss.

Don't cut these guys so much slack. You couldn't make many of them quit....despite all their protestations about hard jobs, undeserved criticism, and time away from other duties.

They only retire when they choose; and up until then have decided that that it is indeed worth any sacrifices.

[wmoebis]

This just seems very counter productive
in this Gov'ts "streamlining" initiative.

[oneoff]

Assessing whether something is "productive" obviously depends on your perspective.

Then comes the spin; and propaganda and sales pitch to attempt the selling job; almost always with no biases and conflicts of interest declared or admitted.

[checking]

Vwalk.

Really, you really believe that gerrid and his organizations stopped China from doing what it wanted? I call "bullshit".

The man needs to stop patting his back in finding ways to extract funding from farmers' pockets, and the taxpayers to promote his organizations, and start selling for himself.

[vvalk]

Checking. Yes commissions and councils do
make a big difference in non tariff barriers and
trade in general. I have seen it first hand. Hard to
convey in words on here the influence farmers
have in these high level issues
Oneoff I am a little suspect to your massive
negativity on this issue, to rant on like you have. I
think you really don't know what it's like to be
apart of these groups and would challenge you to
get involved to see what it's all about instead of
making blanket assumptions. In no way does
volunteering for these groups get you ahead. I
myself have been involved for 7 years in different
groups and I have never once taken a per diem. I
wouldn't come close to covering my expenses
never mind all my time away from the farm. I do
get to network with many people and I feel I get
value there but this isn't an old boys club ( though
it would be nice to see more women get involved)I
would love to discuss this with you in person and
see where all the animosity comes from

[gustgd]

Wmoebis just a guess but i think this is
about not wanting to be seen "subsidising" a
profitable industry. From what I've seen
governments of all stripes and levels want
some industry skin in the game before they
will release tax dollars.

Also if to be cynical its a big splashy
announcement to *give* WGRF. $80M but that's
only one announcement and they couldn't
influence what was done.
In creating this Wheat Alliance it allows
leveraging of scarce dollars.
Better control if your at the table
influencing what $$ are spent on.

[oneoff]

Open your eyes and you will see cynicism, "the disengaged" and refusal to become involved and "tuned out" people everywhere.

And even one of you correctly observed that half (women) are not involved to an accepatable degree. Dismiss that too.
Automatically dismiss the valid other normally complacent concerns from what you see and you are back to your comfortable status quo.

And one of you correctely observed that half (women) are not involved to an accepatable degree. Dismiss that too.

And that dear sirs is why the elite has their special set of entitlements. It is also why you are not in touch with the majority. Just reread the posts in this thread; and take particularly little notice of the support from friends who have willingly thrown the accolades your way.

But that thankless job; and inadequate rewards crap is also the way Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallen, Brian Mulroney, paid councillor "scrutineers", $20,000 to $40,000 RM councillors etc. etc all feel they are not properly compensated.
And we haven't yet even properly assessed their actual performance....have we.

And yes I do talk to a very wide cross section of people; and there are only a relative few on whom it is a complete waste of time attempting a "conversation".

[oneoff]

Ther is only feigned support for isuues such as unrepresentation of women on all these "old boy's clubs".

In my opinion; correcting that situation would bring a completely different perspective to rural politics and farmer organizations.

The chance of significant change is near zero.

Let just continue with "tar and feathers" and categorizing the few as "negativeists". The rest will watch as others are selectively bullied; and remain content that none of what is happening is of any concern within the present or forseeable time period.

No need to change anything??? And certainly don't acknowledge any points made (ie. for those with really short memories....under representation of females within rural "organizations")

[vvalk]

Oneoff. Not sure what you mean about bullying
And elitism? Again not sure what experiences you
have had with organizations and the people
involved.

[oneoff]

Not sure about you either. But "old boy's clubs" don't make room for women ... do they??

Then again, maybe women know what to expect from old boys. Maybe thats just the status quo; and not about to change under your watch.