Monsanto

[rkaiser]

Paranoia - anxiety...LOL Doesn't paranoia mean fear ado? I am not afraid ado, how about you? Why not support labeling your product and then talk to the consumer about how safe it is. What is your paranoia. Would that scare you?

As for the conspiracy deal --- once again, not about fear. I honestly feel that the One Saint (get it ado) Mon Santo --- people truly feel they are doing humanity a favor, and are out to save humanity. Kinda like yourself ado. And good on you. I do think though, that if people had a choice, your chem grown canola would all be used for bio fuel.

Gonna need more biofuel for the organic and natural farmers anyway..LOL

Don't know how good a promoter of chem farming your would be at the grocery level ado. Calling people clowns for paying for choice while you enjoy your own organic products at home? Not even sure it is worth responding to a mind like this. LMAO

By the way bud. I have been farming and ranching all my life and still do. Took the natural --- not organic route about 20 years ago and have never looked back. I like eating it AND selling it. Or at least giving people a choice.

Read a book once about a bunch of employees who worked at a major chemical company and responded to a question about utopia --- kinda like your post. They chose to build a pretend world where they ate food grown without chemical crutches. They did not call the people who ate it clowns however. Yer a prize ado. LOL

[rkaiser]

I used to think about it negatively and want to change the world ado. Now I know that minds like your will never change and most of your customers only think about profit or price or MONEY, just like you.

Since I started thinking that our beef industries ralgro, rumensin, ractopamine and your wonderful glyphosate and GMO's are just gifts to those of us offering a choice, my anxiety and fear have completely disappeared and in fact turned in to love for you and all of mankind...LMAO

[ado089]

Kaiser, where is the
peer reviewed published data to support
your argument? I'm also curious where
you studied bio chemistry making you
such an expert on impact of organic
compounds and gene expression on plant
and animal systems.

[oneoff]

The object isn't to find an exact web quote that "proves" your belief or your perspective.

All one has to do is look for what proves that which you already firmly believe.

The challenge is to weed out the fake research such as the "Nutrient analysis of GMO corn" compared to "organically produced corn". One such example is found in the BEEF FORUMS of this same agriville site. And in that thread you will see the same "rkaiser" and "grassfarmer" prove beyond any shadow of a doubt; that they don't know anything at all about science. They still claim the evils of GMO nutrient deficiency based on falsified soil tests that basically claimed cardboard has more of every element than the "GMO corn sample" reported in the study. In all probability; soil was analysed; but try to get rkaiser to admit that possibility.

ADO.....you are wasting your time arguing with those blinded by their beliefs and causes which apparently make absolute sense only to those persons.

Until growth rates reach zero percent; we will surely reach 9 billion and thereafter an even greater number until we finally get to a zero percent growth rate.
Rkaiser's belief or not; that is a fact.

[rkaiser]

Facts - peer reviews - degrees. all simply things that you believe in. LOL

And yes - you will get support and never look at the miriads of proof that show the harmful effects of GMO's, glyphosate, and all of the other chemical crutches that you support as long as you can hide behind Monsanto's money and your fake names.

I love your word "fact" one off. It obviously gives you confidence and pride.

Wanna take my bet on the 9 billion mark? Like I said, I don't even think we will get there.

Especially when we have people like you promoting GMO's. Are you aware of the Epicyte gene; patented by Dupont and Monsanto. Are you going to be the first farmer in Canada to buy the seed? Like I said, no use posting a link, I realise you don't have time to watch or listen to anything but the FACTS...LOL

[rkaiser]

Why the factless fanatic label boys. I will never discourage you from growing your crops. Like I said, I like bio fuel. And there will always be lots of peer reviewed, fact based, university educated buyers for your food out there who believe in Monsanto and "the facts" amd ultimately "you".

Whoops... did I say believe.

When I say that I like the idea of choice, do you simply ignore it and focus on the parts of my paragraphs that you don't like?

Or are you communist supporters or dictatorial supporters, or totalitarian supporters?

Why not allow people a choice if you are so proud and confident in your facts?

Just wonderin.......

[parsley]

Ianben, I meant to spell the word dunner, not
dinner. A dunner is a bill.

Farmers were stuck buying $35. flax seed for
spring seeding because theTriffid breeder
Oopsies chose to not contain contaminated flax
that was barred from EU and chose to stick
Ordinary Farmer Joe with anbill instead of paying
for contaminated-seed replacement. Did I get the
facts straight I'm asking myself?

Cute farmers like to think of themselves as
business-men. Pars

[oneoff]

When pars makes sense I agree with her...and often do.

But when you can't carry a test kit to the restaurant; rink, fast food outlet or your own kitchen; you are doomed to eating a share of every chemical (natural or man made) concocted or produced natuarally since the beginning of time.

Your choices are not necessarily even as important as the chance that your choice was poorly made. And we should surely avoid the full jugs of roundup and every other poison label and chemical laced ingredients.

Other than that "choice" is a salve to help you sleep better in a world filled with risks a lot more dangerous to your life than the foods you eat.

For those still worried; check out facilities such as controlled access...confined livestock areas such as pig barns and poultry rearing areas that offer disease management protocols, measures of isolation, and buffers from other species, controlled food intake and a strict diet consisting of nothing more than what you need at the cheapest posible cost.

And as a new resident you would still die near your allotted life expectancy; or expire from causes that never crossed your mind.

[oneoff]

In summary; you can't completely avoid germs, bacteria, viruses, yeasts, fungi, chemicals, air contaminants, poisons (natural or their equivalent in a man made form, or as yet not concocted by strictly by nature) or anything on your list of things to avoid at all cost.

Some people will have a much greater tolerance to the above than others more susceptable. It may well be that unhealthy eating, smoking, lifestyle makes no difference to their outcome.

Fine to be cautious; but 20 to 30 years after the exposure; the effects (then the side effects of treatments) are liable to start manifesting themselves.

The sobering thought being that you just might be getting multiple exposures every day to many "poisons" you are attempting to avoid...... And yet be missing the important cause of your ultimate death.

[parsley]

You own your choices, onside, and I own mine;
including the choice to be wrong.

No one better knows what suits me, (instead of
what you think suits me), better than I do. And as
a society, as children, as women, as cooks, as
farmers make more and more of our own
choices, (think about FarmerDad who wants to
make all the choices for his boy) we get better at
it.

One choice I have.....an important tool in the big
bag that holds our choices, is deciding if your
advice is worth taking.

I consider self Interest. As do you... Pars

Choice is that very reason why Canada is a top
naion in the world, why people flock to come
here. Freedom to choose. Pars

[Choice2U]

A few things to ponder...
1. Our average age keeps going up so what is the problem with our food?
2. Child obesity is a huge problem and it's not from gmo's and chemicals. It's from eating chips and drinking pop with no vegetables and fruits.
3. We are fixated on the future of CO2 induced global warming while pollution kills people right now.
4. Every generation continues to get larger and stronger so what is the problem with our food?

Finally, you organic guys with eventually appreciate us when the day comes that the Islamist extremists rule the world but we are able to get them back with our toxic food because they will have their women make supper with gmo's.

[perfecho]

Our average age keeps going up, because we are losing less young children. I could be wrong, however as a kid, I certainly don't recall losing this many people to cancers, I had some pretty old great grandparents back in the 50'S.
As for science, many great things have been discovered, however I still believe in instinct...gut reaction....some things are just wrong. Science has screwed up in the past and will do so in the future.
As I have said before, our Creator gave us a great food supply; however we continue to find ways to screw it up.

[oneoff]

Lets raise the bar a little above instinct. You were given some higher intelligence too. Put that to work when interacting with other humans.

Makes for a better two way conversation.
Comparing instincts makes for a very poor learning experience.

[oneoff]

"Our average age keeps going up, because we are losing less young children"

That makes no sense

Additional children could only lower average age.
perhaps you meant if there were fewer additional children then average age should go up.

First produce some valid stats for the particular population you are referring to. It may very well depend on if you are referring to rural Western Canada; the world as a whole or even specific cities.

[perfecho]

If you don't use it, you will lose it...instinct based decisions have been in use much longer than science based decisions. Science is not the answer to everything....just ask a "Believer"....
and please remember much of science today is profit motivated, not "humanity" motivated.