Monsanto

[sumdumguy]

The truth as I see it has nothing to do with the
hungry people in the world. It has everything to
do with bottom line. If it was true, the producers
would be giving grain away, all winter long. They
would ship and distribute to the needy.
Meanwhile the food that I feed my grandchildren
may be loaded with poison, because the
government refuses to test and publicly publicize
the results. If organic producers are fraudulently
misrepresenting their product, they should be
prosecuted. I know of an organic producer who
was caught, he's not organic this year, wonder
why?

[sk_wheatking]

Just wondering....how do you organic
guys eat at any restaurant,fair booth
fast food joint or have a beer of any
brand and so on and so forth you can bet
your bottom dollar that none of that was
organic grain,beef,pork,chicken. It
seems like the organic guys believe that
if you don't buy into what their doing
well then you must have some sort of
death wish or are trying to somehow
poison people on purpose. And by the way
aren't most organic farmers the ones
that turn ethical and organic when their
conventional operation is pretty well
bankrupt to the point that they can't
get enough capitol together for inputs?
Okay you can rip me apart now.

[oneoff]

"More than enough food on the planet now and for the estimated 9 billion where every study says we will top out."

Show me where this gem of a quote came from.

When we get to 9 billion, my thoughts are that those people will determine if they have "topped out".

Until then, I'll stand on "First and only time I've heard that all the current population could be properly fed today; or that 9 billion is the max human population on mother earth.

Calling BS again.

[btjadenlepp]

People have been saying that agriville's
gone dead since the end of the CWB
monopoly. Yet I have never been so
interested and enlightened on this forum
as in reading this here thread.

Thank you all so much for posting on
this extremely touchy subject, with
clarity and honesty (except the barbs
towards hanmer, those were way off
base).

There isn't a more important topic to be
addressed in grain farming today. Hats
off for your courage in bringing the
debate home, please keep it coming.
Excited to be learning...
www.farmlinksolutions.ca

[parsley]

I agree, sk_wheatking , that some financially-
compromised farmers attempt to farm organically
because they can no longer access credit. And
also many of them switch from their failing grain
operations to conventional cattle operations. Or
sheep. Or elk. Viability is part of farming, and
many factors threaten viability, incl marital
breakups, sickness, incompetency, etc.

But onerous organic paperwork will blanch the
enthusiasm of most any struggler, and they soon
exit. I find that more often, larger operations are
entering organics, and grow more uncommon
crops which are often sold directly to a plant.

Lack of supply seems to be the chronic organic
problem, especially since Whole Foods are
expanding so much.

For myself, sk_wheatking, I eat in diners, gas
stations and fine restaurants, at the neighbours, in
other countries, spicy-hot hot hot food, unknown
food. But if I have a choice, I try to choose
healthy food; foods with as little contamintion as
possible. A orange instead of a hunk of maple
walnut fudge. Oatmeal porridge a better choice
than Cheesies for breakfast, although I have a
penchant for the latter.

I'm among the lucky, though. I don't have irritated
Bowl Syndrome. My neighbour is a chronic celiac
who suffers for days if he sneaks a piece of whole
wheat toast. One extended family member
spends all his painful time in the bathroom if the
food contains gluten.

I note that allergies are growing. Do you? I note
that allergies affect a wider range of ages. Do
you?

As farmers, I believe we need to keep an eye on
what the eating world is swallowing, and
experiencing and thus, needing.

sk_wheatking can sell wheat to Mrs. Consumer
for wheat salad. But my celiac neighbour will not
buy your wheat berries. What makes him so
allergic? What is the cause? Why the epidemic?
Good questions for the farmers growing wheat, I
think.

Organic growers actually fill a large part of that
market that you normally do not service.
Amaranth. Kamut. Spelt. Ancient grains.

You will be glad organics stay in business should
you develop allergies, because eating is a lifelong
pleasure 3x per day, 365 days per year for your
entire life. Parsley

[parsley]

A conventional farmer who writes on AV sent this
to me this morning, I havent watched it, yet,
Pars:

http://dailyhealthworldnews.wordpress.com/2013/
05/25/seeds-of-death-full-movie-march-against-
monsanto-special-gary-null-releases-his-movie-
seeds-of-death-for-free-viewing-for-a-limited-
time-in-honor-of-the-march-on-may-25/

[pourfarmer]

Why do you all guys think 'the world
will starve' without monsanto??? are you
guys retarded? half the world is
starving right now!???! keep telling
yourselfs that you are doing the right
thing growing gmo crops, spraying the
piss out of it so that some kid in
africa can have a bowl a wheat?? are you
****ing kidding me?? those kids arent
going to see a kernel of your wheat
whether monstanto makes gmo seeds or we
all grow organic!!

[cottonpicken]

It was easy for me to see the out right bullshit of
politics and economics but i always thought science
was incorruptible until al gore snowballed me(and
many others) then i realized we are still a bunch of
dumb apes,the fact that doctors dont even
understand nutrition is icing on the cake.

Gmo's,pesticides herbicides,etc,etc should be
continuously scrutinized along with most other things

"its not what you dont know that hurts you,its what
you believe to be true and isn't that gets you"

[rkaiser]

I still eat food in restaurants and so do my children, however we do our best to choose and also supplement with natural bioavailable products that each of you can choose as well.

Still holding on to "choice" from my side folks.

Label you grain. Label your beef and don't be afraid to say that beef is laced with Hormonal Growth Promotants, Beta Agonists, and constant slow release antibiotics --- that are --- of course --- safe from the prospective of the government and those government officials who used to work for the chemical companies... LMAO

Don't be afraid. In fact - don't be afraid to stand in front of consumers at a retail level like I do often and stand up for your side. Stand in front of the growing number of gluten intolerant moms and kids and sell the hell out of your stuff. Listen to the concerns of the mothers of the growing number of autistic kids. Come on boys --- do it. It should be easy since you are so ready to defend yourselves here on this public forum with your "real" LOL names.

As for the 9 billion turning point one off ---- don't know if it will even reach that many. What with the acceptance of a newly approved GE gene to actually sterilise people and all. Not going to direct you to that site however, you can do it on your own.

wanna bet one off. just this one off time... LOL

China is going to turn slowly with their one child rule in place for years and India is loosing one farmer every 30 seconds due to suicide over control by bankers and chemical companies. Also stats that you can find on the web.

As for the web --- it will be the change needed. My opinion one off. Information and education available to the entire planet now. Information that will change the world as we know it.

As for BS. I call it on the so called fact that we have a food or fossil fuel shortage like we have been led to believe by conventional media over the last 50 years.

[ado089]

Kaiser I would suggest that your
paranoia and anxiety is far more harmful
to your health than any north American
originating food product. You folks need
to learn the differences between
correlation and causality and maybe some
basic experimental design and statics.
You really can't believe everything you
see on the Internet. As for labeling you
can pay for your own special food
labeling if you want it the rest its
safe to say is gm. Btw Over the last 20
years the organic industry has grown
from under a billion dollars to over 30
using that correlation its fairly safe
to say organic food is the cause for all
this cancer, allergies, erectile dis
function obesity, lazy children, shitty
battery life in cell phones gang
violence, poverty,high gas prices and
mosquitoes.

[parsley]

But ado, don't you wonder why organic sales keep
rising ^? I assume you grow to sell? If I was
selling seed or growing wheat for milling that I see
people probably won't want to buy, umm, well, uh,
....

Better mind my own business. Pars.

[ianben]

I saw a program here in uk recently on how bring
ing back the wolf to Yellowstone had impacted on
the wildlife there after twenty years.
Some winners and losers big winner was the
beaver not an obvious candidate but that is
nature.
Interesting if you get a chance to see it.

Just a point to show it is not always the obvious
that is the cause.

Why is it what we eat? Food which was treated
with a chemical or not.

How about vaccines toothpaste antibiotics
deodorants washing powder soap nylon and my
own favourite for blame antibacterial cleaners
giving no natural immunity .

I do believe Homo sapiens is due a population
correction

No idea what or how but more likely to be natural
than man made in my view.

[ado089]

Parsley maybe you should, I'm doing just
fine selling my $14/bu gm canola and
$9/bu full gluten wheat. I really don't
hold much stock in trends that's only
marketing tool is slandering the
competition. People have been eating
wheat for 8000 years and I am confident
they will for 8000 more. The funny thing
is between hunting, fishing, my garden
and livestock my diet is likely far more
"Organic" then you clowns that pay 25%
more for a sticker on your food while
hitching about food inflation all
because you're affair of something you
don't understand.

[parsley]

Ianben, I'm more interested in crops and food
than toothpaste, because I grow crops and food!
Farmers should be interested in them as they
impact our bottom lines.

I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again: I
don't care what you cross, or grow, or invent in
your crops as long as you are soundly responsible
for it. Legislatively.

We've watched the farmers who messed up,
sidestep their messes, and send the rest of the
farmers the $35.00/bu. dinner, haven't we.

[ianben]

Parsley
You asked why we are seeing more
allergies different illnesses. I think the base food
we eat weather organic or not has changed less
than my list over the last 50yrs. Lifestyle,
exercise, the amount of time most people sleep
today I could go on and on.

We did produce beef before BSE and I was very
proud of our product.
Who was to blame?
The farmer,
or scientist who saw a funding opertunity by over
estimating the risk .
Seems to be no human BSE epidemic yet.
Did we dodge a bullet or is the human immune
system able to cope.