What happens if the rest of the world wont buy our crops

[bucket]

And there is probably a better chance you getting hit by a bus, car or train that suffering any ill effects of what you ate.

Just saying there seems to be no balance to this whole food safety issue. The alternative is starving which people are still doing in parts of the world.

Can we feed the world and fix starvation, sure, but people have to realize there is a trade off.

Starvation can not be a kind death.

[furrowtickler]

Or we could pump raw sewage on or crops for
nutrients much like the organic veggie 's.

[pourfarmer]

pump raw sewage on organic vegetables?
that doesnt seem like a very good
idea... i cant imagine the
person/company that did that stayed in
business for very long.

Im not sure if you're aware but there
are several 'organic' farming practices
that do not involve raw sewage. For
example, green manure plow downs,
composted manure broadcasting, humate
based liquid fertilizers, there are lots
of options out there.

[dalek]

It just amazed me how many people today have lost all
sense of perspective when it comes to risk.

[hobbyfrmr]

Actually a few years back there was a group of
toronto commuters complaining about the
farmer on the outskirts of the city and how
offensve the smell was from the stuff he was
injecting into soil. They were so offended i think
they hired a lawyer to stop the activity.
Ultimately the product was city sewage effluent.
I do not remember the outcome.
Why does every farmer think he is feeding a
starving world? We grow a commodity to sell on
the market. Once it gets dumped through the
grates, and farmer gets his cheque, he/she are
not thinking, thank God i delivered that grain.
There will be food for the starving masses.
Pretty good chance mr. Farmer is hoping after
paying his machines, labour, fert, chem , land
bills, that there is enough for a few beers at the
lake and a 60 inch tv to impress the kids and
watch hockey. No need for anyone to become
holyer than thou. Its just life in Canada

[rkaiser]

Death from starvation????? What the hell are you talking about bucket. If that's the kind of bull shit that keeps you going, no one will ever help you. Like I have said a number of times, I have been farming all my life and the long and the short is that you need to make a living off your land, just like I do. But this BS about starvation screws with my lid. Do you see the ads on this site from multinational companies? What about everywhere else you look? The money these companies pay for advertising, let alone the profits they give shareholders and pay CEO's would feed every hungry person on the planet. There are truly not that many starving from no food any more bucket.

What about the waste. Again way more than enough to feed the world. What about ethanol production from grain. And on and on.

And even a bigger mess we have to clean up is visible at Wal Mart bucket. Know why those people are so fat? Malnutrition. Due to the FACT that the food products we raise have little nutrition left in them and the ones that have sugar and fat and no nutritional value due to chemical inputs at the farm level are cheap.

Believe it or not oneoff, we got a mess to clean up on this planet and it has to start at the grass roots level. Believing --- like bucket ---- that we are the good guys feeding the starving is not going to cut it.

So this starvation death you talk of is nasty hey bucket. Ever seen a man wither away from 200 pounds to 90 from cancer?

If Canadian farmers had the guts to ALL move away from chemicals on the farm and chemicals in their animals (and by the way - piss on organic rules - just quit the chemicals) and raise crops naturally ---- we could still supply all of Canada's needs and have other countries knocking on our door for food.

Where are all of the economist on this page? Ever heard of supply and demand. Rather than overproduction and captive supply marketing by a few multinational corporations.



CHEEZE WHIZ

[ado089]

Kaiser, a funny thing happens when
people get enough nutrition. They live
long enough to die of things like cancer
and degenerative diseases.

[oneoff]

Poor kaiser's tit sure is in a knot. Even when a person hasn't contributed to a thread, there are attacked.

So here are a couple comments .
Anyone who wants the advantages of our present day life had better own up to their share of the waste that comes with it. But first you must admit the benefits you enjoy. And real organic farming for the masses comes from the energy of ethanol mandated to be blended into gasoline, exotic chemicals injected into oilfield formations and pipelines to produce fuel for organic farm machines. And when those hydrocarbons are produced, they become the building blocks of the plastics and fabrics and steels and alloys that produce fumes and pollutants... and even the useful products that even organic enthusiasts embrace..... if they want natural gas heat, and up to date machinery and life in the 21st century and 9 billion souls as their companions.

And when everyone gets sick; do they sensibly wish to have the option to be treated with chemotherapy, radiation, treatments, a host of at least somehat proven pills, antibiotics, stem cells and potions....or do they reject those treatments out of hand and rely solely on "natural herbs and natural treatments".

You know, kaiser, there are actually some pretty remarkable modern treatments that have quite amazing results. I wouldn't care to reject them all out of hand. Its just possible you will seem quite the hypocrit (if you already aren't one), when you stoop to attempting to prolong life using that same chemistry field that you universally denounce.

And no, no and no that does not mean allowing and condoning shortcuts, and hastiness and carelessness in the development of commercialized introduction of new technology. But it is naive, and out of touch with reality to insist in living as those long gone from previous centuries.

You were born in the wrong generations.

[rkaiser]

Tit ain't long enough to get in a knot Jack and the last thing I am is poor.

That is, I likely don't have the money or land assets that most of the posters on this site have, but I am certainly en joy in my life. What fun would this site, or the world for that matter be if we all sucked the knotted or frankenstieny third tit of Cargil and Monsanto

I kind thought you might read my post buddy, and write a bit of a diatribe of yer own.

As for the fuel consumption of tractors farming land without chemicals and growing real food. I am all for biofuel to use for these tractors. I have said it before and will again, use that damn GMO corn to make fuel for farm tractors that are out their tilling and seeding real food. Now that we have cleared and cultivated more than enough land to feed the people of the earth, we might as well cover that ground with corn for fuel.

Times will change and there will be other energy sources for farming reak food down the road, and hey, changing the world to "my" world LMAO will not happen over night.

You sure do like to take things to the extreme Jack. Even though I have said a number of times that I am not really in favor of organic agriculture, you love to use the term. And then go on with your garble about technology and medicine....blah blah blah.

Shit ya Jack, I have used medicine. Used enough the it damn near kilt me once. And like I said to Cor once when he asked me if I let my animals die when they get sick. Hell no Cor, I treat them and send them to the same place you send all of your immune reduced chem cattle. The auction market. We have actually been friends ever since.

I will never change the world Jack, but plan on making a fair bit more noise than I have so far before I am done. You want to play the poor farmer who can't make enough money farming with consciousness for man kind. Go ahead. Not my choice.

Not sure why you say that I universally denounce chemistry. Other than to try to win some sort of fight over beliefs. LOL

Chemistry is a wonderful thing and in fact, balancing diet is all about that stuff called chemistry.

Playing with it like Monsanto does to simply profit monetarily and suck farmers into using it for the same profit game, and then experimenting on humans is what I don't see as necessary.

As for technology. If you like, I will send you DNA and ultrasound work that I have been doing on my naturally raised bulls for the last 20 plus years. Or a gaggle of data from the Lacombe research center on the natural chemical make up of the beef I have been producing from them thar bulls for about the last ten.

Doubt if they did much of that stuff in the era you think I should have been born in.

Better get off this computer before the lithium batteries affect my brain like they have yours Jack... LOL

[oneoff]

What most people can't understand, OR WON"T UNDERSTAND, is such concepts as biochemical pathways. These reactions are not governed by "beliefs " or "faith" in any way.

It like a water softener. You don't get harder water out than the raw water input; if NaCl in the softener isn't all used up; and the media bed isn't fouled; and the raw water isn't frozen solid and the iron is not interfering and the water contains the common hardness creating calcium and Magnnesium ions etc., etc. And so the more reactive NA ions from the "salt" replace the Ca and Mg ions in a predictable manner... and the water produced has different properties and a more pleasing interaction with soap.

Well a couple of biochemistry and chemistry courses will give you an introduction to how you might even make RoundUp; or the basics of how the pathways of "metabolism" might create every compund and complex chemical in an animal body or in a lab test tube.

Until you are exposed to that side of science , you remain but a person blurting out statements using terms that you have picked up with no underlying understanding.

And you might well miss the real hazards by stating "I've always said use that GMO corn for ethanol production"

Talk about missing the points. Your point should be that the corn grown for ethanol production is even more dangerous. You would be giving support to such GMO varieties as Bt corn which is loaded with its own insecticide such that current borer insects simply die from feeding on this variety. And you still would claim this poses no danger to food consumption?? I do see the public value in your opinions; not trust such ill informed spokespersons.

What I'm trying to say is that this subject doesn't have but one angle; and that while you may be content with your full understanding of science; I would say you are missing a heck of a lot more than what I have forgotten from 30 plus years ago.

[rkaiser]

That's why I like you Jack. You have a few facts to back up your facts.

The only reason that I support using GMO corn for biofuel is that I know for a fact, that I can not convince the world to stop.

And yes the BT thing is one more reason that we need to stop.

The thing I like about science is those bell curve thingamajigies. Saw a couple of them lately that are no where near the top when it comes to inflammatory disease in humans. Run these graphs alongside graphs showing the increase in the use of BT GMO crops and whala.

Is that a belief Jack; or is it science?

Biochemical pathways are another interesting concept. The idea that science came up with a few years back to find chemicals that are similar or man made to insert into food. These compounds are inserted into our bodies and the bodies of the plants and animals that we eat and the label on the product says that we are receiving 20% or 50% or 100% of that chemical per serving. Not only does that label not say that certain chemicals are not absorbed in these altered states, it will never suggest that balance is the key to any absorption.

Is that my belief too Dr. Jack. You do have a degree don't you?

Have a wonderful day and go out and absorb some sun today.

[oneoff]

You are only looking to confirm what you already believe is true. And anything along that line that remotely be associated; gets drawn in as a further confirmation of those personal beliefs.

Since you will not support the same concerns with GMO varieties used as energy or non-food uses; in the same way as those concerns apply to food directly consumed; I find your arguments to not even be consistent.

Come up with some specific claims that can be backed up with some reproducable reliable data behind them.