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    #11
    Science, right. If you need help with the big words Kaiser just ask.

    First the ahem, study.
    http://www.organic-systems.org/journal/81/8106.pdf

    Anyway, To tear it apart Mark Lynas does a good job, saves me a bunch of
    typing but came to the same conclusion:

    GMO pigs study – more junk science

    When I saw on Twitter that a ‘major new peer-reviewed study’ was about
    to reveal serious health impacts from GMO corn and soya, I was intrigued
    to say the least. Would this be Seralini 2.0, a propaganda effort by
    anti-biotech campaigners masquerading as proper science, or something
    truly new and ground-breaking?

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence – and it would take
    a lot of extraordinary evidence to confound the hundreds of studies
    showing that GMO foods are just as safe as conventional, as summarised
    in this recent AAAS statement:

    “The science is quite clear: crop improvement by the modern molecular
    techniques of biotechnology is safe. The World Health Organization, the
    American Medical Association, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the
    British Royal Society, and every other respected organization that has
    examined the evidence has come to the same conclusion: consuming foods
    containing ingredients derived from GM crops is no riskier than
    consuming the same foods containing ingredients from crop plants
    modified by conventional plant improvement techniques.”

    So when I found the paper, again via Twitter, I determined to read it as
    I would a climate ‘denier’ paper which aimed to overturn the scientific
    consensus in that area – with an open mind, but a sceptical one. I could
    see that it was already generating news, and the anti-GMO crowd on
    Twitter were also getting excited about some new grist to their
    ideological mill. Here’s what Reuters wrote:

    “Pigs fed a diet of only genetically modified grain showed markedly
    higher stomach inflammation than pigs who dined on conventional feed,
    according to a new study by a team of Australian scientists and U.S.
    researchers.”

    Really? Time to have a look at the study. It is by a Judy Carman and
    colleagues, entitled ‘A long-term toxicology study on pigs fed a
    combined genetically modified (GM) soy and GM maize diet’ and published
    in a minor Australian journal I have never heard of called ‘Journal of
    Organic Systems’. (This journal does not appear in PubMed, suggesting it
    is not taken very seriously in the scientific community. It only
    publishes about twice a year, mostly with research touting the benefits
    of organic agriculture.)

    I skimmed the paper first, and the conclusions seemed doubtful enough
    (see below) to try to find out who was beind it. So I looked at the
    sponsors of this journal. They include the Organic Federation of
    Australia, which seemed odd for a journal presumably aiming to be
    independent. Imagine the hullaballoo if Nature Biotechnology was
    sponsored by Monsanto!

    I also wondered who Judy Carman and her colleagues were. She turns out
    to be – as I feared – a long-time anti-biotech campaigner, with a
    website called ‘GMOJudyCarman‘, which says it is supported by
    GMOSeralini.org. She is a founding member, according to this website, of
    the scientific advisory council of the Sustainable Food Trust. The
    Sustainable Food Trust was the UK outfit set up by former organic
    lobbyist Patrick Holden which stage-managed the media release of the
    infamous Seralini GMO rats study to the Daily Mail and other credulous
    outlets.

    What about the co-authors? One is a Howard Vlieger, who seems to have
    made some wild allegations about GMOs in the past if this source is to
    be believed. Vlieger is president and co-founder of Verity Farms, a US
    ‘natural foods’ outfit which markets non-GMO grain. Despite this, the
    paper declares that the authors have no conflicts of interest, although
    it seems to me that he would have a very clear commercial interest in
    scaring people about GMOs in order to drum up business of his GMO-free
    offerings.

    What about funding? The paper states that funding came from Verity
    Farms, the natural product outfit mentioned above. Carman and her
    colleagues are also funded by and associated with the Institute of
    Health and Environmental Research, an Australian not-for-profit which
    seems to be entirely dedicated to anti-GMO activism. Recent activities
    have included opposing Bt brinjal in India and CSIRO’s GMO wheat in
    Australia. Funding sources are not disclosed, although donations are
    solicited. The paper’s acknowledgements are a veritable who’s who of
    anti-biotech activism, includin Jeffrey Smith, John Fagan and Arpad
    Pusztai.

    So, that’s the context. Now let’s look at what raised my suspicions
    about the actual study. Well, Carman and colleagues claim significant
    differences in a long-term study of pigs fed GMO and non-GMO diets. But
    if you look at the data they present (and the data presentation is at
    least a step better than Seralini) there are obvious problems. Clearly
    all the animals were in very poor health – weaner mortality is reported
    as 13% and 14% in GM-fed and non-GM fed groups, which they claim is
    “within expected rates for US commercial piggeries”, a vague statement
    intended to justify what seem to have been inadequate husbandry
    standards.

    This picture is even more stark in the data presented in Table 3. 15% of
    non-GM fed pigs had heart abnormalities, while only 6% of GM-fed pigs
    did so. Similarly, twice as many non-GM pigs as GM ones had liver
    problems. Why no headlines here? “Pigs fed non-GMO feed 100% more likely
    to develop heart and liver problems, study finds” – I can just see it in
    the Daily Mail. But of course negative results were not what Carman et
    al were looking for.

    So we fast-forward to the stomach inflammations. This is where Carman et
    al got their headline. As Reuters reported:

    “But those pigs that ate the GM diet had a higher rate of severe stomach
    inflammation – 32 percent of GM-fed pigs compared to 12 percent of non-
    GM-fed pigs. The inflammation was worse in GM-fed males compared to non-
    GM fed males by a factor of 4.0, and GM-fed females compared to non-GM-
    fed females by a factor of 2.2.”

    This is statistical fishing of the most egregious sort, and I would put
    money on the Reuters summary above being lifted near-verbatim from a
    press release written by Carman et al. Table 3 actually shows that many
    more pigs fed non-GMO feed had stomach inflammations than those with GMO
    feed. So 31 non-GM pigs had ‘mild’ inflammation, while only 23 GM pigs
    had it. For ‘moderate’ inflammation, a GMO diet again seemed to be
    beneficial: 29 non-GM pigs had moderate inflammation of the stomach,
    while 18 had it. So that’s 40% vs 25%. Do Carman et al perform a test
    for statistical significance to see if GMO feed has a protective effect
    on pigs stomachs? Of course not – that’s not the result they are after.
    These findings are ignored.

    Instead, it is the next line of data that they play up: for ‘severe’
    inflammation 9 non-GM pigs were determined to have it, while 23 GM-fed
    pigs had it. Shock, horror. You can immediately see how the data is all
    over the place from the previous results, which also rule out any causal
    mechanism with GMO feed – if GMO feed is causing the severe
    inflammation, why is the non-GMO feed causing far more mild to moderate
    inflammation? It’s clearly just chance, and all the pigs are not doing
    well and suffering stomach problems: about 60% of both sets had stomach
    erosion.

    Yet the paper slyly presents photographs of inflamed pigs stomachs, with
    non-inflamed and mildly inflamed from non-GM fed pigs, and moderate and
    severe inflammation presented from GM-fed pigs. Yet 38 of the non-GM
    pigs, more than half of the total of 73, were suffering moderate or
    severe inflammation – why not present photos of their stomachs? This is
    rather reminiscent of how Seralini presented shocking pictures of GM-fed
    rats with massive cancerous tumours, but did not present pictures of the
    control rats (non-GM fed) which also developed cancers.

    Indeed, if you add together the ‘moderate’ and ‘extreme’ categories –
    which from the photos are not easy to tell apart, involving a value
    judgement on the part of the vets employed to do the post-mortems – then
    the non-GM fed pigs have 38 affected individuals (52% of the animals
    studied), while the GM-fed pigs have 41 affected individuals (56% of the
    total). Statistical significance? My ass. This is propaganda dressed up
    as science, which is why it didn’t make a proper peer-reviewed journal.
    (Update: Andrew Kniss makes this point better, using an appropriate
    statistical technique, here.)

    My judgement is that, as with Seralini, this study subjects animals to
    inhumanely poor conditions resulting in health impacts which can then be
    data-mined to present ‘evidence’ against GMO feeds. Most damning of all,
    close to 60% of both sets of pigs were suffering from pneumonia at the
    time of slaughter – another classic indicator of bad husbandry. Had they
    not been slaughtered, all these pigs might well have died quickly
    anyway. No conclusions can be drawn from this study, except for one –
    that there should be tighter controls on experiments performed on
    animals by anti-biotech campaigners, for the sake of animal welfare.

    Thanks are due to the numerous Twitter correspondents who provided
    insight and links which have been useful in this post. You know who you
    are.

    Update: I received the following expert commentaries courtesy of the UK
    Science Media Centre:

    Prof David Spiegelhalter, Winton Professor of the Public Understanding
    of Risk at the University of Cambridge, said:

    “The study’s conclusions don’t really stand up to statistical scrutiny.
    The authors focus on ‘severe’ stomach inflammation but all the other
    inflammation categories actually favour the GM-diet. So this selective
    focus is scientifically inappropriate.
    “When analysed using appropriate methods, the stomach inflammation data
    does not show a statistically statistical association with diet. There
    are also 19 other reported statistical tests, which means we would
    expect one significant association just by chance: and so the apparent
    difference in uterus weight is likely to be a false positive.”

    Prof Patrick Wolfe, Professor of Statistics at University College
    London, said:

    “I am not an expert on animal health, husbandry, toxicology etc, and
    therefore I cannot comment on these aspects of the study. As a
    statistical methodologist I can however comment on the data analysis
    undertaken and presented in the article.
    “The biggest issue is that the study was not conducted to test any
    specific hypothesis. This means that the same sample (in this case
    nearly 150 pigs) is, in effect, being continually tested over and over
    for different findings.
    “The statistical tests employed assume that a single test is done to
    test a single, pre-stated hypothesis; otherwise the significance levels
    stemming from the tests are just plain wrong, and can be vastly over-
    interpreted.
    “Thus there is a higher-than-reported likelihood that the results are
    due purely to chance. The number of pigs being in the low hundreds
    (instead of, say, the thousands, as is often the case in large medical
    studies) can make this effect even more prominent.
    “Bottom line: a better-designed study would have hypothesized a
    particular effect (such as changes in stomach size), and then applied a
    statistical test solely to check this hypothesis. Perhaps another
    independent team of researchers will go down this path. Until then, this
    study definitely does not show that GM-fed pigs are at any greater risks
    than non-GM fed pigs.”

    http://www.marklynas.org/2013/06/gmo-pigs-study-more-junk-science/

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      #12
      In other words, absolute crap, lies and
      deceit.

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        #13
        did not need any help with the words wg and thank you for responding like I asked. You are pretty good at taking orders hey. When Monsanto and their money and clout, all the way to the FDA say jump, you jump?

        Damn these people who speak out and do the scientific studies. Worse than owning the FDA and doing the studies. LMAO

        Or paying multimillions for misleading advertising in California and deceiving the people who watch TV and smoke cigarettes and like their Doritos (GMO or not) just to win the labeling vote by a few percentage points.

        Careful writing your own words wd, you may be seen as a hypocrite or a dummy or one of the other names that I have been called by your comrades since I joined you little gong show site.

        Gong..............

        Like I have said numerous times, I can not blame any of you for trying to feed your families, but defending the likes of Monsanto is pretty pathetic and likely the main reason that you all hide behind your site names.

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          #14
          Thanks for doing that legwork WD.

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            #15
            I second that. A very good and complete reveal of bogus science.

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              #16
              Its not defending Monsanto Kaiser, its
              exposing YOUR bullshit and lies. I would
              immediately do the same to Monsanto or
              any other organization.

              Keep posting your crap articles and
              lies. Kinda fun actually.

              just maybe you and your fellow followers
              could stop abusing animals trying to
              catch headlines for the sake of money
              and profit. That is pretty sick.

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                #17
                Its hard to find a pro gmo study that somehow isnt
                funded by big bio tech somewhere down the
                line....Just saying

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                  #18
                  Fun searching the internet for someone else's words from the other side wd? And thinking you are a hero of righteousness for doing it.

                  I cant remember whether you found anyone's articles that discount everything that Dr. Huber talks about or not. Off with you now and find stuff for us about Dr. Huber is a bad man trying to ruin the world.

                  And the only thing you can personally come up with is that I harm animals for profit. Ever heard of treating sick animals with drugs and selling them to the folks who will sell animals and grain treated with almost anything wd?

                  You bin googlin me too haven't you you little googler. Better get on JBS for having a natural beef program as well.

                  Wonder what I would find if I googled wd's real name.

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                    #19
                    Of course you can't remember. From the
                    what if the world wouldn't buy our crops
                    post when you brought it up. Everything
                    you cite is crap and lies.

                    You speak of Dr Huber. Lets look at
                    that.

                    Retired Purdue University professor Don
                    Huber proclaims discovery of a
                    plant pathogen “...that appears to
                    significantly impact the health of
                    plants, animals, and probably human
                    beings.” He also alleges this
                    pathogen is more prevalent on herbicide-
                    tolerant genetically modified
                    (GM) crops.

                    No data was provided nor cited, and no
                    collaborators were identified.

                    The allegation that some mysterious
                    pathogen is damaging U.S. corn and
                    soybean production is contrary to
                    extensive data documenting improved
                    yield and economic performance for GM
                    crops.

                    Purdue university response (His own
                    university):
                    http://www.btny.purdue.edu/weedscience/2
                    011/GlyphosatesImpact11.pdf

                    Iowa State university response and
                    studies:
                    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/CropNew
                    s/2011/0225hartzler.htm

                    Ohio state university:
                    http://corn.osu.edu/newsletters/2011/201
                    1-05/#1

                    Now its your turn Kaiser. Show me
                    independent research supporting Dr Don
                    that glyphosate increases occurence of
                    disease, or, as your superfluous
                    use of acronyms would say, STFU LOL! If
                    not, think about the first 2
                    paragraphs of this post.

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                      #20
                      Pourfarmer, there are no pro GMO study
                      anything. No one has ever said there is
                      any food advantage to GMO. Ever. Ever!

                      There is no difference. None. Not a
                      single one of the major 150 world health
                      organizations who have done the studies
                      and properly and completely approve GMO
                      as safe have ever ever found anything.
                      Ever!

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