Get ready to tear this one apart boys...

[wd9]

Yes pourfarmer, everything is a plot to
sell dangerous products and get away with
it. Stock up on tin foil!

[pourfarmer]

Lol resorting to the tinfoil hat
conspiracy talk already? because i made
a couple valid points? sheesh are you
getting lazy?

The 'plot' is to control the food for
financial gain, not to sell poisons
food. One way you can control the food
is to patented the basic building blocks
of the plant by changing the dna
structure. It is business my friend,
simple business, its monopolizing the
food industry for complete control of
the producer and the consumer. Think of
the $$$$, because thats all it boils
down to. I for one will not allow big ag
bio tech to put my daughters health at
risk to make a few bucks... there is no
conspiracy here, only business... sorry
to disappoint you my friend

[wd9]

Then grow whatever you want. Is there
anything stopping you? Does big business
and evil corporations dictate what you
grow on your farm?

I make my seed decisions for my farm.
Grow what i want. Why can't you?

[wd9]

I have flax, peas, oats, barley, wheat,
and some canola. Only the canola is
'evil corporation controlled' and is
less then a quarter of my acres. I could
grow any canola i want if i didn't agree
with what was offered by the 'big
controlling companies'.

If all canadian farmers stoppped growing
Bayers, Monsanto, and Pioneers' seed,
what power would the companies have
then?

Most do grow it cuz its simple and makes
money. Lots of it. And they grow the
shit out of it in horribly short
rotation. So after all, its the farmer
that's the evil one.

[rkaiser]

yip. Tin foil hats and that word evil word. Aint cutting it anymore wd. The world is on to you and your buddies who don't hide anything. I love the name Monsanto. ONE SAINT here to save us all. and a little acronym for you

[pourfarmer]

I do! I grow food that i feel comfortable feeding my
family, your family, and the neighbours family. I tried
'conventional farming' in the end i couldnt sleep
knowing the potential health risks, i've read the labels
of the chemicals i was applying, and asked myself would
i feed this to my family? the answer was no, so then i
thought is it worth it? to make a more $$ per acre, or
have a nice pretty crop like yours. again the answer was
no. I understand you guys, a farm is a business, and a
business needs to make as much money as possible in
order to be successful and buy more land, fancier
trucks, bigger tractor then the neighbours, again boils
down to $$. I used to think like that too, but reached a
point where i was questioning the safety of the product
i was producing. I am a 'facts only' guy, and i 've
seen the facts on the insecticide jug, and round up
container i was spraying on the food i was producing. I
BELIEVE some of the 'studies' we've rehashed many times
over are also full of facts. (my belief, not yours
obviously)

I am not trying to sway anyone either way, at all. I am
here to defend my position as a organic farmer who
thinks he is doing the 'right thing'. Take it for what
its worth, not a damn thing!!

[pourfarmer]

wd9, The farmer isnt the evil one. at
all. he is producing a crop that
supports his farm and the consumer wants
(uninformed consumer imo). I like this
line from the President of the american
corn growers association:

You have to understand that we
farmers... we're gonna deliver to the
marketplace what the marketplace
demands. If you wanna buy $2 milk,
you're going to get a factoryfarm in
your backyard. It's that simple. People
have got to start *demanding* good,
wholesome food of us, and we'll deliver;
I promise you. We're very ingenious
people, we will deliver.

[wd9]

That is awesome you grow what you want
how you want. So neither you nor i is
controlled in any way what we grow.

I just wish the organic industry would
stop bashing conventional ag without
proof, making up studies, and assuming
their product is better. Neither is
better. Both have good and bad points
and in the end is the same.

At not quite 4% of the market, can the
organic industry afford to be looked
upon as selling the product at all cost
to reputation and truth?

[pourfarmer]

I am not sure what you're asking
exactly, stupid farmer here.

But if your asking can organic ag
survive without these so called 'bogus
studies'? Absolutely, that 4% are the
people that dont bitch about how much a
loaf bread costs. They would rather buy
a loaf of organic bread that costs twice
as much and not be able to afford a 55"
tv or new duramax. They wont change
their minds, like i wont change mine,
and you wont change yours.

[ColevilleH2S]

The organic industry is not exactly
thriving on the prairies. Acres are way
down from a few years ago.

[wd9]

I'm asking if the organic marketing
voices like Kaiser with so many lies and
bad studies trying to sell conventional
ag as dangerous and unhealthy, yet are
safe, will greatly hurt the organic
industry because no one trusts an
industry with a chronic deceit issue. It
may just be bad for everyone.

Pourfarmer, is this a good path for the
organic industry to keep heading down?

[pourfarmer]

I could ask the same of the conventional
guys that go around spouting "the world
would starve without conventional ag".
While I may not agree with the way
rkasier expresses himself I do feel he
has merit and is citing legit material.
My grandpa used to say 'it takes all
kinds', not everyone could share your
idealistic views of a world that is in
the safe hands of bio tech companys out
to save the world form starvation..

On to the other comment...
I believe 'certified organic' acres are
down due to the recent changes to
organic regulation in Canada, increases
in paper work, significant changes to
seed cleaning regulation, etc. I believe
there are as many, if not more,
'organic' acres out there today however
they have dropped there certification
and are selling to the 'naturally
produced' marketplace as opposed to the
'certified organic' market place. I've
looked into it myself.