More fuel on the non-gm fire

[pourfarmer]

FreeWheat, soil tests will tell you that
my organic soils are not under fertilized.
If you conventional guys could learn about
crop rotations, green manure plow downs,
humate based fertilizers you could save
yourselves a significant fert bills. I
work like a dog to ensure my soils are not
depleted. I do not mean to sound like a
prick with the following statement, but
there is more to soil then NPK

[grassfarmer]

The "precisely fed" comment about nutrients is rather
funny coming from guys that constantly p&m about
rain being "soil poison" that washes all their nutrients
away. Precisely fed one minute - hopelessly defeated
by mother nature the next. Convenient.

[sumdumguy]

Because there is so little information available in
N.America re the long term foreseeable health
hazards associated with GMO and desiccation
residue, it is impossible to quantify the amount of
residue risk. Europeans are much further ahead
of us on the issue.

From my perspective, if I was given the choice, I
would prefer neither GMO food nor that which
has been sprayed with glhosate days prior to bin
storage - the problem as many have stated, is
that I have no way to know at this time.
Governments should make chemical companies
pay for testing to prove that it is safe within
European specifications, othwise we will all pay.
When they can unequivocably guarantee safety,
than and only then should it be allowed.

[freewheat]

Pour farmer, I know about crop rotations.
And yes there is more to nutrition than
npk, which is PRECISELY my point.

Grassfarmer, you obviously are in a dry
area where rain is always welcome, where
wet is a year with 20 inches, or maybe
even ten. Must be nice.

[Braveheart]

Sumdumguy, Europeans? Really? I farm by a
German that sprays more and more carelessly
than any of us Natives. He sleeps with a Bayer
Bible under his pillow. Euro trash specs are just
political bs.

[sumdumguy]

Do you think thats why he left Germany? Didnt fit
in?

[grassfarmer]

Freewheat, average precipitation here is right around
26 inches.
My comment stands that you can't claim to have
perfect, precise chemical fertilisation of your soils if
they are apt to get flooded out as regularly as guys
claim on here.

[freewheat]

Grass farmer, I see your point now, and I agree. I would add
though these last several years have been very abnormal,
however... I hope!!!

[vvalk]

GMOs haven't been tested? What about the over
3 Trillion meals eaten with GMO ingredients. Yes
that's trillion. Who would police the GMO labelling
and what would be the rules? How much
processing is allowed before you can say non
GMO. Most of the cooking oil used in all the
restaurants is GMO. Pretty much all sugar is
GMO. If you bake bread or drink wine it envolves
using GMOs. Even medicine we use includes
gmos Where would you start? On another note I
love how people in developed countries with their
big stomachs like to preach about GMOs what
wbout the billions who go to bed Hungary every
night and even die from starvation yet we would
deny them the only way to feed them because,just
maybe, they might get a cold in 50 yrs. TO top it
off there isnt even any evidence. Pour farmer I
would love for you to tell me how you would even
remotely feed the world with organic production
Even remotely

[parsley]

Somebody's gotta write a Broadway musical, "How I Feed the World". With dancing and lots of
tits.

[wd9]

Apple seeds are mildly poisonous,
containing a small amount of amygdalin, a
cyanogenic glycoside. It is possible to
ingest enough seeds to provide a fatal
dose.

If parsely 'made' an apple today, would
it pass Health Canada's definition of
food safe and be allowed to be sold for
human consumption?

[charliep]

So you understand that conventional
farmers run a business. Did you make a
recommendation in another thread that
consumers should choose olive oil over
canola oil?

[parsley]

Your hyperbole is an indication of desperation,
wd. Now stamp your feet.

Charliep, charliep, those aren't words.

This is what I said, "You see, charliep, the
educated elite read  articles like this, and decide
to buy olive oil instead. "

They decide.


Consumers shop for what they want to buy. I
don't tell instruct them on what to buy or what to
eat. Besides, I know the 4% think for themselves.
You can try it, though. How about robocalling?
pars

[parsley]

sb my words

I try to be fairly careful with words, but even so,
slip up. I couched my "organic growth" words
carefully, on the 'Premium Markets' thread, and
actually took pains in the initial post to avoid
making premium markets apply exclusively to
organics, considering the natural beef markets in
the back of my mind. Pars.

[charliep]

You are right the consumer will have
their own information and make their own
decisions. I am concerned about how we
(which includes you) communicates this
information. There are minimal amounts
of protein in canola oil. Proteins are
what carry the genetic material. The
healthy aspects of canola oil should be
noted and promoted.