Can someone help me understand

[rkaiser]

Sorry about sounding like a politician ado, better to just outright say that you are going to avoid the most important topic on the thread I guess.

I am happy that you are wealthy bud, I consider myself wealthy as well. Probably in different ways but que sara.

My point about pitty is not so much that I got a look at your books which are obviously the way they are due to hard work, dedication, and what else --- moral obligation and integrity.

My point is more about pitty for your limited future, based on a fearful limiting prediction of mankind.

I will say that you likely can not choose any more ado? And thus my condolences. Even if you somehow had a change of heart and wanted to treat your land and the crops you grow in a different way, you are likely hooped. Not that you ever will - until those who do your marketing for you, and tell you what and how to grow your crops tell you to do so. Your goal of more and more wealth may not happen as quickly as you are now used to.

I am sure that you can show all of us the statistics that show how much of your crops go directly into the stomachs of those starving people you care about so much.

Thanks for the compliments about my beef ado, you and wd are really doing your homework on me. LOL Don't really need marketing advice from a fearful limiting thinker though.

[ado089]

Aux contrair, see I can be worldly too, I have a six year plan set aside
in my office that would take me from conventional grain farm to certified
mixed organic should the economics ever make sense to do so. As well as a
having a pesticide free premium market lined up for the transition
period. But since most of my friends and acquaintances are getting out
of organics to join the "one saint" army it's going to take some very
compelling convincing to make me implement that plan. Like I've said
before, savy operators will succeed no mater how much the rules of the
game change.

I realize that you're all about choice no one here wants to deny
consumers that right. We simply want the integrity of the information
fueling that choice to meet some sort of responsible standard and
accountability. Also I can't debate or defend anything rational when
someone isn't willing to acknowledge the very foundation of progress and
knowledge, science. I mean using your brand of science someone must be
sneaking into the Bronson forest and feeding ractopamine to the moose
because I cooked a moose roast this weekend, that I shot and butchered
myself, and the damn thing shrunk by almost 50%. But I don't want to dive
into that pool since I don't consume much for beef anymore and I haven't
kept current on beef finishing techniques.

I didn't much appreciate your shot at me suggesting that my life isn't
rich. I have a great bunch of family and friends, I have the plenty of
time for my outdoor pursuits, I have a solid education education and full
work experience as well as traveling to a great portion of this world.
That includes meeting those people in developing countries you like to
pass off so callously and the dumbass NGO's that think they are helping
them.

[ado089]

Allan Savory is a brilliant man, I still remember being floored by
his TED Talks presentation about reversing desertification the first
time I saw it. Funny thing is that he co-authored a special report
titled Food and Agriculture : The future of sustainability where they
advocated the increase development and use of GMO's, zero till and
precision farming to ensure resource maximization and to ensure
adequate global nutrition.

As for your Mischa Popoff, at a glance, his opinions mirror what WD9
and I are saying. In fact I believe in another post I said let's
scrap organics and have a residue free market. Since natural just
"organic light" I'm not entirely sure how your name dropping advances
your case.

I've browsed a couple of Vrains commentaries but haven't had a chance
to look at it in detail. I will have to look closer but some of his
suggestions that genetic traits from GE crops are jumping to non
related species and soil microbes seems a little suspect. If it were
that easy there would be zero genetic diversity on the planet as all
life forms would just be a stew of genes from any organisms that came
into contact with each other. As for the one gene one protein
argument, makes sense, identify the differences and analyse the
individual rogue proteins for human health effects. Chances are we
already know what they do and if they pose a threat. I didn't notice
any published papers in the first couple of pages of google so it
makes me wonder if he saw this as an opportunity to use his position
to make some coin in the wake of this fad.

There are some crazy websites out there filled with hate and devoid
of information, I'm shocked and that doesn't happen that easy
anymore. Please pass along any further reading some of this stuff was
neat and we're suppose to get more rain this week.

[ado089]

Vrains horizontal gene movement fear
mongering would require plants and
animals to drop a few levels on the
evolutionary charts. As far as these
transgenes ending up in bacteria goes,
that's where we found them.

Limited thinking is a disgruntled cowboy
leaving the farm who wants to turn back
the last 60 years of agricultural
progress. Not a young farmer who wants
to continue sustainably farming for
another 25 years while using all the
tools available.

[charliep]

Here is an interesting article that may get people stirred up. Perrenial crops may be a way of the future but what if the way there is genetic engineering?

[URL="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/why-annual-crops-need-to-be-turned-into-perennial-ones/article12579450/"]perrenial crops[/URL]

[rkaiser]

Sustainable...LOL Okeedokee ado089

Is that really how old you are. 1989 model. Amazing

Not disgruntled, not leaving anything, in fact looking at ways of expanding in a truly sustainable way.


Have to read you perennial crop article in detail later. Probably after ado 089 has his way with it. LOL

[charliep]

Here is another one that you find interesting and goes to the issue of what defines natural.

[URL="http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Regulation/Judge-There-is-a-gaping-hole-in-the-current-regulatory-landscape-for-natural-claims-and-GMOs/?utm_source=newsletter_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_ campaign=Newsletter%2BDaily&c=jYz%2BwZTNAeWbAKcue4 o4Og%3D%3D"]Natural Products[/URL]

[ado089]

Sorry to disappointing yet again, you'll
have to add a few years to that 89, only
my university id.

Great read, perennial crops will be the
next big step in Ag, unfortunately there
are still a lot of obstacles. First is
funding, it's harder for biotechnology
companies to monetize, so they won't be
motivated to help that much. Secondly
they are having trouble getting the
beneficial traits from both sides of the
cross. There is much work that need to
happen in breeding winter hardiness,
diaease tolerance and yield. It would be
nice if they could throw in some legume
dna to make them nitrogen fixing and
give then some allopathic traits.
Unfortunately the anti gm crowd is
making using ge to advanced e these
crops nearly impossible.