New GM debate in UK

[Hopalong]

Asking what is sustainable is like asking how far
back to roll the clock.
Progress means we move ahead rather than
back.

[oneoff]

Its very easy to pick out the relatively rare mistakes in chemistry.

That can be used as the basis of fear mongering; as well as a serious warning of being absolutely as careful as possible before releasing to the general population or into mother natures back yard. Its a matter of risk to benefit ratio; and should be greatly i favor of the benefits side.

But no one but a slim minority have any intent on discontinuing today's modern life; rather than turning back the clock many decades or centuries.

Myopia and dumbness at its worst???? If only they would consider modern treatments.

[rkaiser]

Not about turning back anything oneoff. An definitely suggesting new techniques with more of a natural approach. If they seem old to you, that's your perception, not mine.

Collateral damage from modern chem techniques based on the ultimate lie just simply ain't cutting it any more oneoff,. Even with all your twisting and turning and trying to make Kaisers of the world into backassward dummies...LOL

[wd9]

It would seem its the kaisers making the
kaisers backassward dummies, not the
oneoffs.

[oneoff]

Long past the time for the kaisers to come up with some actual evidence.

There are no arguments being provided.......only unsubstantiated suspicions.

Anyone wo wants to believe; go right ahead. But your propaganda and unsubstantiated lies are only that; and they will/must be challenged.

[rkaiser]

Lies about what oneoff? You don't even want to talk about the lie that caused the world to turn to chem farming in the first place.

Are you calling me a liar for saying that my cattle became healthier after I stopped using feed that did not have the micronutrient balance due to chem enhancement. Tested by veterinary science. Somehting you would think you could understand. Nature is perfect and whenever humans screw with it for profit and greed, or the ultimate bull shit lie that you seem to support, it just does not work. I am not calling you a liar oneoff, just a lost little man who is trying his best to justify the money spent on his education.

Believe what you like oneoff, and enjoy yourself. Your tactics will never stop Kaisers or Hubers or the viral growing number of people in the world who have caught on to the big lie and the main reason you "believe" in modern farming practices.

Use your science oneoff. Use it to create something postitive so that you don't have to eat different foods than you grow for the masses. Food that you have admitted will have collateral damage. For an overall bullshit cause.

[ado089]

What is this lie you speak of Mr.
Kaiser?

[rkaiser]

Simply that we need to use chem based "modern farming methods" to feed the people on this planet.

I see the merit in no til ado. And the merit in increased production from fertiliser and monoculture ag techniques.

Does that make me a hypocrite and a liar? Shit man -

Find ways to deal with the raising of food that you would feel comfortable eating yourself.

Do you grow a garden ado?

[ado089]

I do grow a garden.

[charliep]

Ianben

A weird question but I note lots of Canadian farmers are concerned about extra costs of buying seed. How does the UK pay for developing new varieties? End use levies (pay a share of revenue)? Requirements to use certified seed?

I could be wrong but I don't think any farmer pays for seed, herbicides, etc to keep the big companies profitable. I assume they do it because they meet the agronomic needs of their crops and contribute to their businesses profitability.