New GM debate in UK

[ado089]

Too bad the guys growing peas are least
likely to be contributing to the
problem.

[charliep]

I hate to ask the question on a public forum but what is the issue that needs to be monitored on peas? Do the same concerns apply to other pulses? Call me if you like.

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Charlie,

The two we need to watch are:

Fusarium solani;
Fusarium oxysporum.

I understand there is no treatment for these as they hit
later in the year after seed treatments are done.

Not Fusarium graminearum... but the same kind of
issue... except seed treatment don't fix the peas... as it
is in the soil. Wet soils cause it!

Anyone else... help with filling in?

[charliep]

Do these issues impact fababeans and lentils? How much does pea variety stand ability impact disease spread.

Scary as yellow peas have developed a lot of new markets starting with China.

[grassfarmer]

"What gets a free pass?"

The ridiculous idea that AI was behind BSE, that BSE
susceptibility is linked to high production genetics or
easily linked to particular cattle and their genetic
mutations and that "sound science" backs this.

I laugh at the few self appointed dictators of
irrefutable scientific proof on this site that ridicule
RKaiser and call him a hypocrite if he can't back the
articles he posts by peer reviewed science (and not
just any peer reviewed - it's got to be w9/oneoff
approved peer reviewed science)
So come on bring on the peer reviewed "sound
science" on BSE that backs ianbens assertions..... I
think not because the accepted "sound science" on
BSE is the "contaminated feed" theory.

You can't have it both ways - you either stick with
"sound science" or you don't.

[ado089]

I think the high yield comment was
directed toward poor disease tolerance
in crops, not BSE. Even here for a while
we saw black leg tolerance sacrificed
for yield. I could have misunderstood
the statement though.

[ianben]

I never said AI was responsible for BSE just that
UK was unfortunate that the dairy bulls that
where selected for good traits just happened to
carry BSE susceptible genes.
I always though everybody accepted this as it is
only explanation for the way some herds were
decimated and others had very few cases while
they all ate the same food, and the UK beef herd
also had many fewer cases, havent some breeds
had none.
Reactors also had their entire line culled even day
old calves as a matter of course.
Did this not recognise the genetic link?
In the rest of the world if they look hard enough
they find an odd case.
We managed to turn this odd case into an
epidemic which I do not question.

[grassfarmer]

Where is the proof? show us the lines, names the
bulls - the research must have been done and
conclusive to back your claims.

[rkaiser]

Kinda relates to Wd's question on the other thread about antibiotic resistance --- and what was the term --- complexity?

"Believe" more in simplicity myself.

Might not be such an issue of genetics as how the cattle were raised and fed.

We had an interesting blast from our overseeing cattle organisation after the Brooks fiasco where they publicly said that cattle raised in natural environment and killed in little plants have the same capacity to carry and spread the ecoli virus. Talk about marketing for the conventional - chem cattle...LMAO

I can not say that I have tested our cattle for MSwhatever WD, however we do keep all the livers from our cattle and sell them.

Do you know what that means?

[oneoff]

I was once told "you never win a pissing match with a skunk"

Further "never get into a debate with an unreasonable person. They will wear you down to their level and bet you with their experience"

Give me a concise question on which you think we have different opinions. There is no sense either of us flinging comments where you default to claiming it is your choice to believe what you choose....and I respond with some data that has some research backing that you will automatically reject out of hand.

[rkaiser]

concise questions hey oneoff. hmmmm

are you referring to me as a skunk?

are you suggesting that I am lesser than you; or in fact at a lower level consciously or intellectually?

do you grow a garden, fertilise it and spray it with chemicals, desiccate it and then feed the harvest to your family?

would you stand in a grocery store with your peer reviewed studies and convince the shopper who usually does not even have the benefit of knowing whether her food is chemically enhanced and possibly Genetically Modified to buy chem enhanced GMO food?

Sorry that one is a little broad and open to a lot of analysis I am sure....

Just following your rules oneoff.

[wd9]

For clarity kaiser, are you referring to
the 99% of the food in the grocery store
in your question or some other subset?

[charliep]

Just curious how many people would eat beef if they
visited a packing plant/local abattoir. Not a pretty
sight and perhaps a reason to become vegetarian.
Getting your protein from pulses and other plant
products is much more sustainable and socially
responsible than eating meat.

[Hopperbin]

fished with an old retired man from the Phillipines the other day. He worked 30 of his last years in a flour mill in the phillipines. They bought our Canadian wheat and blended it with others to produce the best product high end product best in the world according to them. I would eat it rkaiser.

[Hopperbin]

what is terrible rkaiser is that people like you are promoting to the public that us farmers do not eat what we produce.