New GM debate in UK

[grassfarmer]

Point is you have no proof, no science behind your
statements. First it was AI then it wasn't, then it was 7
out of the 10 most popular bulls which you
can't/won't name any of.
As long as you support Monsanto and the GMO cause
on this forum perceptions are real and the facts are
negotiable. Heaven forbid anyone posting opposing
views without having extensive peer reviewed science
to back their claims.

[wd9]

Thing is grassfarmer, then that's all it
makes it, an opposing view. An opinion.
An 'I think its this way' statement.

Not much value in those.

[ado089]

Grassfarmer, I think a distinction can be made between ianben proposing the hypothesis that there could be a genetic link to BSE susceptibility and the likes of Randy inventing a problem and then assigning blame for it. BSE was/is a real problem that dealt a heavy blow to beef industries in several countries, unfortunately not enough is known about it to come up with anything more than token best practice management.

The dribble that gets spouted surrounding the organic debate first of all isn't being presented as a hypothesis, despite there being no evidence or much more plausible causes such as in obesity, it's being presented as fact to the ignorant masses in order to market at product.

It's one thing to make an educated guess, it's a whole other to sell your opinion as fact so that you can advance your ambitions.

[rkaiser]

Now I am inventing a problem ado?

All problems are manifestations of the mind.

What did I manifest now?

We know what you and your pals at Monsanto are manifesting every day. Problems to some and money making glory to people like yourself. Facts and all.

[wd9]

problems are a manifestation of the mind?

This keeps getting better with every
post!

[oneoff]

There are one issue people.

There are fanatics who are one issue people.

There are fanatics who are one issue people who have vested personal interests or skin in the game.

And it becomes more and more diffiult to have a reasoned arguments with the facts as you move further down the scale of unreasonable people.

[Hopperbin]

Oneoff? rkaiser reminds me of a profesor with lots of theory and no practical. And don't really want to down play any poster as farmers should do as they see fit and lots of experts around. And that they do. Like cotton said show me the money, show me how to do it. This anti gmo debate is awash with expert 19 year old kids that know everything. So when the kids wake up and come up with a plan we will listen. My point of view.

[oneoff]

A theory is some idea that you put out for critical analysis and is open to challenge with all criticism and contrary data that refutes the theoretical proposal.

A belief invites no such analysis. Any contrary opinion is seen as a challenge to the integrity of the beholder.

Just try to debate witching with someone convinced of government conspiracy theories or someone who has no "faith" in science and research.

No....they are not putting forth theories. They are selling propaganda, picked from misrepresentation of bits and pieces of inforation that is sold as proof of their one issue cause.

To abruptly shut down modern food production would lead to immediate catastrophic consequences. And organic producction is not ready to fill the void that would result.
Show me the theory behind the supply of food in North America when Monsanto, Syngenta Bayer etc are all driven into ruin.

[rkaiser]

A professor and a 19 year old in the same post. LOL

I gotta apologise for butting in on your little ego building blog over here boys.

Go ahead and slap each other on the backs and pretend that you are the smartest farmers on earth. Take little bits out of the posts of non believers like old Kaiser and post "facts" about your view of reality.

All the words you can muster about critical analysis, theory, and in my case, beliefs, all fit into the last one.

One more for wd before I fade off into peter pan lullaland for the night.

Thoughts become things WD. Choose the good ones. And yes, problems and solutions are manifested by the mind. Or do the Monsanto scientists get theirs from God?

Hugz

[oneoff]

And anyone who can not stand the thought of listening to reasoned arguents is seen as being intelligent and reasonable??????

I think not. They may well have beliefs and faith, but little else.