Is Sun News feeling a little sheepish

[ColevilleH2S]

I wonder if the RCMP realize how much
goodwill and social license they pissed
away with these break, enter, and
seizures. The harm they did to their
brand, far outweighs any theoretical
crime they prevented.

[wd9]

I wonder if they also realize how their
actions could affect future evacuations
where people will spend time hiding their
shit from a home invasion by the police
rather then getting out and living?

[charliep]

You mean like their pot plants? That would go along
ways to explaining every paranoia here. They tell me
smoking too much weed contributes to schizophrenia.

[parsley]

I Do. Not. Approve. of RCMP bashing down
doors without search warrants charliep, and my
opinion is neither enhanced nor diminished by the
plants you reference; I've never smoked weed,

Not surprising that those told to defend the AB
govt's order to invade homes will pull out the old
humiliation and alienation tactics.

Unfortunately,applying scarlet lipstick on the
Alberta pig that sent the RCMP out rooting
through flooded homes aint pretty, but instead
made a lot of Canadians shudder in horror.

[charliep]

To remind you the primary goal at that time was to establish whether people were still in their houses when an evacuation notice had been given under the powers of the Emergency Measures Act. I highlight the pictures of people being rescued from their houses by combine, gravel truck, etc. The town had a mandatory evacuation notice that was being enforced. The risk was people being left behind in very unsafe conditions and perhaps paying the ultimate price of stupidity. From wd9 standpoint, any stupid enough to do that deserves to die (Darwin's theory) but that is another debate.

[wd9]

People die in accidents, doesn't make
them stupid. People push limits in
emergencies.

I think this topic may be a bit out of
control - even for agriville.

[silverback]

And what was primary goal point one? The video that has come out showing their searching doesn't have a lot of urgency to their inspections. Maybe that's because they knew that nobody would be found inside those homes and nobody was reported missing or still in town?

They were presented with a beautiful opportunity to look through the homes of an evacuated town and they took it. What better way to punish people who don't agree with needing a piece of paper to maintain ownership of grandpa's shotgun. Now to get it back they have to jump through their hoops and background checks when maybe they haven't even had a speeding ticket before.

That's not paranoia charlie, that is the state and police getting too full of themselves and their need to control the population.

[riders2010]

If there are any RCMP members reading this I have to say I am embarrassed at the amount of people on here running down the RCMP for doing what they were told to do. They were checking to ensure everyone was safe in each house.

For those of you paranoid hill billies trying to politicize a relatively non issue compared to the flood devastation, grab a f n brain!!!! But I guess better rumble up some non issues to talk about since none of you hill billies want to talk about the real criminals stealing money on the hill and using secret accounts to pay off anyone and everyone to keep all the acts of theft quiet.

Running down people that put their lives at risk every day they put the uniform on so that everyone including you hill billies can be safe, over this issue, how embarrassing.

[charliep]

That debate will occur after the disaster is over.

At the moment, my concern is with the people who have been impacted by this disaster and helping them deal with the road ahead. I also support my colleagues in government including the workers on the front lines who are making the difficult daily decisions around managing this issue/providing services to the individuals who have been impacted. That includes the RCMP who I don't consider a threat to my well being/freedom.

Apologize but my frustration showing through when people highlight one issue when there are litterly hundreds of others being dealt with second by second. There are no perfect answers in this disaster. Just individuals making difficult decisions in an imperfect world.

I will note I am in Edmonton and have no role in the what is going on in Calgary and High River. I

[parsley]

The army took over in Egypt. A coup. Some won't
call it a coup because it is not in their interest to
call it what it is

But might rules. And guns are the mighty. And
too many Governments want to become the
mighty instead of having gun toting peasants
impeding their central planning.

Redford is an Agenda #21 adherent with a UN
agenda. The first is to disarm peasants. Read
about Agenda #21 for yourselves. Your property
will become common property. You will be
disarmed. Socialism on a grand scale.

There are some RCMP like Sgt. Topham in High
River who, I will guess, will embrace Agenda #21
because he has spoken to the medai several
times about not wanting guns in the hands of
citizens, is what I understand. He was in charge
of the search. and I will guess will be removed
from his post by tomorrow. And should be.

BUT, he got his orders from someone. And that
will be the interesting relation.

BTW, there was no emergency measures
legislation passed.

So you pound your position-post in your field,
charliep, because I have mine firmly pounded in.

We will disagree until I serve you crow. Pars

[parsley]

Riders2010, you would have also been
embarrassed by the farmers who went to jail for
selling ther own grain, claiming Goodale was
right to instruct Customs.

You either understand principals or you don't. So
be carry on being embarrassed about your
peers. Pars

[Fransisco]

Here's a quote from the ignorant Hill Billie known as Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither. Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security."

If the cops were going door to door to look for people that were left behind then that was there mandate in this emergency and that is what they should have been doing. Had they stuck to their actual job in this situation and done their best to respect homeowners privacy I don't think there would have been an outcry. But that's not what happened, they overstepped their limits and it (rightfully) ticked people off.

As far as keeping people "safe" goes ask the people from Caledonia how safe the police made them feel after they got kicked out of their own homes by native "protestors".

People do not feel "safe" when police don't do their job, like in Caledonia. They also don't feel "safe" when the police overstep their authority, like they did in High River. Throw in all the chicken-shit tickets they hand out on a daily basis now that are nothing more than a tax grab and surprise, surprise people just don't trust the police like they used to.

Yes, its sad but the cops themselves are part of the problem here and seem to be becoming more and more so all of the time.

[parsley]

From the gossip I have read, Sgt Topham didn't
fill out a Confiscation sheet on the firearms thy
grabbed. Some officers refused to break in. He
arbitrarily hired divers, and locksmiths. No
warrants tho. He got the military to help with the
invasions. And got his personnel to pick up the
guns. Some homes were not even in the flood
area (Maybe the owner on Sun this morning was
telling a fib?)

This gossip has not been proven in a court of
law, but I will bet the Sgt is in a bit of doo-doo.
Pars.


Like I say, this is gossip

[Fransisco]

Charlie said, "At the moment, my concern is with the people who have been impacted by this disaster and helping them deal with the road ahead."

Which is exactly where the focus should be. I would submit that telling people they are not allowed to go back to there own homes while the Mounties are going from house to house breaking down doors and rummaging through peoples personal things does not in any way help them deal with the disaster. It makes things worse. It adds a level of man made injury, to the natural one, and it also adds insult to injury.

Its kicking a guy when he's already down. Which is the last thing someone needs while dealing with a natural disaster.

[wilagro]

Yep...lots of them thar ignorant hillbillies on this forum. "Specially those from Saskatchebush and Manitobie lipping off about Albertan affairs of which they know for naught.