Growing Pharma-Food

[Hopperbin]

Not sure how true but heard that if the auditors in the organics industry did their due diligence there would be no organic growers at all. And there would also be no organic auditors. Like they are going to put them selves out of business.

[wd9]

Also Parsely, this isn't stacking.

[parsley]

Exercise your right to not purchase organic food,
hopper, it's clearly labelled. The educated and
wealthy's growing support clealy show they
disagree with you.

No, stacking is not the issue, wd, This time. But
it will be, sometime.. Pars

[Hopperbin]

Sorry parsly as a grower I don't purchase organic at all and i stand by myself in my purchases. I don't believe in it. Yet pars if I have to dust my potatoes in the garden and have to choose between picking the bugs off I will pick them. I don't like to dust in the garden where I may be putting on 20 times the chemical. At least I know as how I farm I put on the exact amount. no one is going to tell me I spray the shit out of it like some ass hole on here thinks we spray the shit out of it, not sure what he is thinking

[ColevilleH2S]

As usual, people even as keen as Pars
completely misunderstand real risk. To
them I ask; Genetic modification of crops
has killed how many people? Come on, is a
technology with a safety track record as
good as GMO's, really worth this much
slander and fear mongering?

Focusing your emotion and energy on
something like e.coli control or soil
erosion would be far more beneficial to
humanity.

[wd9]

A great article on big money promoting organic:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2012/10/22/the-roots-of-the-anti-
genetic-engineering-movement-follow-the-money/

excerpt:

There exists in this country a vast, well-established, highly professional,
protest industry fueled by special interest groups seeking to line their own
pockets while harming the public interest. How vast? A review of tax
returns of the “non-profit” activist organizations opposing agricultural
biotechnology and other modern production methods reveals more than $2.5
billion is being spent annually in the United States by these professional
advocacy groups to shape our beliefs and influence our purchasing habits.

[ado089]

Parsley, I'm educated and wealthy and
don't touch organics. My friends sister
is in her mid thirties and still lives
at home with her parents along with her
child and husband, purchases nothing but
organic food. Just think, the premium
paid for a months worth of organic food
for a family would likely cover most of
the rent for a two bedroom in a smaller
Sask community.

[ado089]

Sorry should not have said still lives
at home, meant to say had to move back
in with her parents.

[ado089]

Parsely, can you cite a couple of
scientific articles that highlight the
incidence of cross species gene transfer
in plants? That is by pollen and not
the voodoo horizontal gene transfer that
was spouted on here a month ago.

[wd9]

ado, Parsely doesn't need science, just
enough careful words to create fear but
not litigation to continue the organic
marketing plan at your expense.

[parsley]

Take a broader view, Cole. Genetic
modifications are bound to bring changes to food.
That's why it is done. To change the construct of
food. Do-gooders want to make food better than
Mother Nature can. What is the good and the
bad that will come from it.

Some AV boys maintain the changes are good.
They will cause no harm. And I should shut up.

However, In do not think man is smart enough,
does not have a broad enough view, is not
scientically advanced enough, to go forward
without the utmost care these changes deserve.

Man does not even know how his body regulates
his blood pressure. Or how hormones impact
their interrelation within the body. We have
evolved as highly fine-tuned animals with very
specific specs. You can't pour dandelion oil in an
airplane engine.

Getting drunk during pregnancy has caused
untold damage. If adobe demanded "Prove to
me the harm getting pissed in the bar once a
week will do", the answer would lie in that
generation of statistics, ....but later on.


When dandelions and purple loosestrife were
introduced into North America, and they were,
could we prove then, what we curse now? We
won't even talk about the indestructible
chamomile some municipalities condemn.

When wild pigs were introduced into areas, could
we anticipate how fast they would populate?

I am not anti- science. But we cannot keep our
head in the sand about the perils of changing our
food. There are perils. Nature will make sure
there is both good and peril. So we must mitigate
the possibility of risk. A game plan.

1. Save some original seed stock.

2. Punch the cheaters in their public-eye.

3. The people who stand to make patent fortunes
must also admit to and pay for their failures.

4. Recognize who the people are, who are well
paid to defend every indefensible wrongdoing.
Ignore them.

5. The public are quite tolerant of science gone
wrong. Not so, about covering it up.

A long term view is essential. Skepticism is
healthy. And encourage discussion about the
economic viability of crops that will not accepted
in some countries for many many various
reasons. If your livlihood depends upon selling
food. Pars

[charliep]

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[wd9]

See, just words, no science.

[parsley]

The GMO farmers unwilling to acknowledge the
worries and concerns of their buyers, with
regards to unintended consequences, will pay a
price. Yet more of your buyers will dwindle. They
can afford to. My observation.

Live with your choices. Pars

[wd9]

that's all you got Pars, observations and worry.

GMO testing and science for 25 years, not an incidence - ever.

Organic food poisoning thru archaic paperwork, not actual or real
certification or testing - daily.